Kirkham in Shelby Registry - Page 5

Trevor Legate · #81 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 04:00 AM

OK, my 2 cents - if it ain't got an AC badge....oh, never mind (wanna buy a book?)

BMK · #82 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 04:45 AM

Tevor Legate

Trev,

Well done. Hope you sell a few books..

Then again seeing they are not part of the Commonwealth we may have to read it to them..

Murphy · #83 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 05:24 AM

I heard they are going to let replica Shelby cars in the replica Kirkham Registry and possible let other replica cars drive on the same roads along side them to replicate the event of an actual car made in the 60's that started this wholesale replication? What will stop the repetition and the replication?

Trevor Legate · #84 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 06:39 AM

Hi Bernie

Either a brave or very foolish posting!! You may have to stay on your continent henceforth.....Actually, we did consider 'translating' the book into Americanese for the MBI imprint, but they were not bothered. Hence we have 'colour' and other words where the 'u' is silent as in fox. Or should that be, the 'p' is silent as in 'bathing costume'. Ah, the old ones are the best

Murphy: I guess the replication stops when the gas runs out (Bernie - 'petrol') and this becomes the Shelby Bicycle Club forum

JBo · #85 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 07:55 AM

With a few exceptions from AC (COB & COX), and the AK run, the rest were ROLLERS anyhow. Trev...get the pies and pints ready for this one!!! Jim

aspenbubba · #86 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by xlr8or

I hope no one mistakes my Kirkham for a Shelby. How embarrassing would that be?

Well put and so was the comment on the Kirkham Registry.

REAL 1 · #87 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 09:40 AM

Gee. Thanks Bill for your enlightening us on the fact that Continuation cars never saw the Shelby plant in California. That was truly a news flash to all.

If you couldn't or can't follow the analogy I can't help you. However, I think you can and did understand the point as you were just taking the opprotunity to be nasty and sarcastic so I responded in kind. BTW I will look for the four cars in the Registry that "you are attached to" whatever that means. I, unfortunately will only be "attached to" one REAL Shelby, CSX 4206 and the GT for a total of only two.

Kzol: Wow! even you argue the CSX isn't real?

I guess you disagree with SAAC then. But then again at the same time "you enjoy having it because it might mean something to someone one day and do something for its value?" Hmmm, why might that be you suppose??? Gotta love those self deprecating Shelby owners.

One thing for sure though you'll make tons of friends here on this site if your willing to knock your Shelby.

Hey, I just say what SAAC says. If they say its a REAL Cobra thats good enough for me. I didn't say it they did. No apologies, no explanations needed. Its official. Those who have'm understand those who don't well.... don't like it. Its that simple.

BTW I understand aluminum Shelbys will have a price increase in the next 30 days to around $124,000.00 with approximately a 9 month to 1 year wait and used ones are turning up at Russo & Steele auctions. All there earmarks of a fakedoo for sure.

Hey Trev: You know I was thinking the same thing as you but in the reverse. If its not a Shelby its not a REAL Cobra. But for CS, AC would be a footnote in automotive history.

God Bless America.

1ntCobra · #88 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevor Legate

OK, my 2 cents - if it ain't got an AC badge....oh, never mind (wanna buy a book?)

I think Trevor has just slipped up and let us know about his new project. The Legate Auto Carrier Club Registry. I strongly suspect that he will let the later Brian Angliss cars into his registry as "real", even though they were not built in the Thames Ditton factory.

I wonder if we'll have to join the LACC in order to purchase the registry or if we'll be able buy it from Amazon.

Trevor Legate · #89 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 11:13 AM

Me - biased towards AC..? Perish the thought. Why would I ever do such a thing? I was in a playful mood and decided to see who I could wind up....

Hi Real 1

Glad you agree you got everything backwards.

God Bless British Sports Cars (and the AC Ace in particular....)

jdog · #90 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by REAL 1

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BTW I understand aluminum Shelbys will have a price increase in the next 30 days to around $124,000.00 with approximately a 9 month to 1 year wait and used ones are turning up at Russo & Steele auctions.

One more reason to 'upgrade' my car's fiberglass body.

I'm going to suggest that the Kirkhams develop a 'fiberglass CSX rebody package' deal. Those 50 or so, $39,000 cars could be converted to $124,000 cars for about $25,000-$30,000.

Hey David, if you need a 'poster child' car for your new CSX re-body program!

jdog
P.S. At these prices the re-body idea becomes more appealing every day!

BigRed427 · #91 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 11:28 AM

This started at a 'registry' post and turned into the "is it real" issue which has been debated to death. The moronic statements posted on this topic could fill a registry.

Interesting response from Rick Kopec at SAAC as to why they are listing Kirkams in the SAAC. Sounds like solid thinking around thwarting fraud down the road.

JBo · #92 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 11:42 AM

trev, does bring up the dreaded question of "how much of the original body must remain beore it is considered not a real CSX 4000 series , but a rebodied by an unsactioned vendor CSX chassis?" Jim

jdog · #93 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JBo

trev, does bring up the dreaded question of "how much of the original body must remain beore it is considered not a real CSX 4000 series , but a rebodied by an unsactioned vendor CSX chassis?" Jim

I'm pretty sure this would not be the first CSX car to be re-bodied by the Kirkhams.

Are only the 'sanctioned' Kirkham bodies going into the registery?

Besides, I thought that Kirkham being in the registry would 'sanction' them.

It's like dying your hair, "only your hairdresser knows for sure".

jdog
P.S. "Don't hate the player, hate the game"

ENTDOC · #94 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 12:08 PM

sounds reasonable to me

1ntCobra · #95 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jdog

I'm pretty sure this would not be the first CSX car to be re-bodied by the Kirkhams.

Are only the 'sanctioned' Kirkham bodies going into the registery?

Besides, I thought that Kirkham being in the registry would 'sanction' them.

It's like dying your hair, "only your hairdresser knows for sure".

jdog
P.S. "Don't hate the player, hate the game"

jdog,

Its only original (that is probably the wrong word) once. Haven't you noticed how some of the 60's era cars that have been rebodied or perhaps rebuilt from only a few remaining pieces, like the passenger side chrome headlight trim and a title are considered over restored. These over restored cars are often worth less than cars with mostly original parts. You may be the original owner of your car and might make these modifications early in the car's life, but when it comes time to sell it later, what will the buyer think? Perhaps, if you took the car back to Shelby and had them do the aluminum body and got that documented in the registry as a factory installed option, you might do better.

JBo · #96 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 12:36 PM

What a great circular arguement this is!

Jamo · #97 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 12:58 PM

Soitenly a circle something.

REAL 1 · #98 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 01:03 PM

Trev: I said I see it in the reverse, not that I got it backwards. Besides its you guys that drive on the wrong side of the road so I would expect you guys to see things "alittle" backwards over there.

No problem. I understand.

JDog: Rebody idea is interesting, however, to be fair I think you would have to disclose it as a rebodied car and I would suggest SAI doing the work with a body from their shop as invoiced through them. Its more then just slapping an aluminum body on the frame for a glass car. There must be modifications to the glass car frame. Doing such a rebody anywhere other then SAI I think you just dilute the car and its heritage as a Shelby and bloodline so to speak. But hey as far as I'm concerned, go for it. Buyers will then start asking is that an original continuation aluminum car or a "rebody" and "was the rebody by SAI?". I know I'd ask. Think about it. You bought a Shelby because of the intrinsic value of the Shelby origin of the car. Now you would want an outside vender to rebody it??? Hmmmmm.

Jamo · #99 (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 01:53 PM

He's right, Jdog...maintain the heritage. Take it back to Mexico and have some hombres do it.

I'm trying to remember when Shelby actually made its own arruminum body...hmmm, must be old age.

jdog · #**100** (**permalink**) 10-01-2007, 02:16 PM

Wasn't there a recent post about how much better the Kirkham aluminum cars were? Why wouldn't that apply to a re-body?

Ask Jamo or Ron just how their Kirkham quality compares to a Shelby.

With the reputation the Kirkhams have in the Cobra world I don't think it would be a detriment, it could only improve it.

Please tell me that if Shelby sent every CSX car to Kirkham for final assembly that the cars wouldn't be a little tighter! Anyone?

I think I'd take my chances with that.

I wouldn't expect to see 100% price increase on my car. With aluminum rollers selling for $124,000, that would place complete cars at $150,000+.

I would think that a complete aluminum CSX car (re-bodied by Kirkham, the best in the business) would be pretty attractive in the $100,000 - $124,000 range.

jdog
P.S. I only bought the car from Shelby because Kirkham went out of the glass car business!