Kirkham in Shelby Registry - Page 8

REAL 1 · #**141** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 08:08 AM

David: Thanks for the info. The 100 figure was an estimate. If its 200 its 200.

Out of that 200 I don't know if all have been sold or delivered and your right, who knows what SAI is doing or will do with them. All I know is I got mine!

Anyway, 200 doesn't change the picture that there aren't many aluminum Continuation cars out there.

Johan · #**142** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 10:14 AM

Thank God for the villiage idiot, if we are graded on the curve. If you acted like this at a vintage race, your clothes would get pretty dirty really fast.

JBo · #**143** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 11:39 AM

Real1, please advise this formum what numerous mods and changes 'ole Shl made; other than installing engines, transmissions, radiators/fans and oil collers to these 289's or 427's bodies and chassis to make them Cobras

jay bentley · #**144** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 11:51 AM

If there were about 347 or so original 427's and only about 200 continuation aluminum cars, wouldn't that make the continuation cars more rare and more desirable than the originals?

1ntCobra · #**145** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JBo

Real1, please advise this formum what numerous mods and changes 'ole Shl made; other than installing engines, transmissions, radiators/fans and oil collers to these 289's or 427's bodies and chassis to make them Cobras

Perhaps you should read some books on the subject. Through racing experience, the Shelby drivers, mechanics and fabricators, like Ken Miles and Phil Remington figured out what improved the cars and that information was used to specify running changes to both competition and street cars to AC.

The 427 chassis was jointly developed by Ford and AC. AC had limitations on what they could do with their small engineering team and even screwed up the wheel base of the coil spring cars by ordering the wrong length of tubing for the main rails and then could not afford to return the tubing for the correct size. That made it impossible to build the suspension as specified by Ford.

xlr8or · #**146** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jay bentley

If there were about 347 or so original 427's and only about 200 continuation aluminum cars, wouldn't that make the continuation cars more rare and more desirable than the originals?

Jay please. The zoo rules dictate that you shouldn't feed his ego.

HI Cobra · #**147** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 12:53 PM

Maybe in another 50 years?

Time do fly. We won't be around, so
who cares?

A-Snake · #**148** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jay bentley

If there were about 347 or so original 427's and only about 200 continuation aluminum cars, wouldn't that make the continuation cars more rare and more desirable than the originals?

Would you like to trade for one...even up? I think I can arrange it.

Excaliber · #**149** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 02:13 PM

JBo, the list of Shelby modifications to the existing VERY weak AC Ace would fill a book. In fact, several have been written detailing the extensive modifications. And thats just the 289 version!

When it comes to the 427 it was 'frame up' modifications that resembled the original ACE only in the basic body lines.

These extensive mod's over a long period of time is what basically fuels the English vs USA debate on what part and how much the Cobra development was due to AC vs Shelby. Sure AC provided the fundamental chassis/body, which immediatly showed it's inherent weakness in virtually every area.

Anthony · #**150** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by David Kirkham

I wonder what Shelby did with the other 100 or so frames and bodies we sold them??? (We have sold them around 200 frames and bodies).

Roughly what is the breakdown between 427 and 289 cars?

REAL 1 · #**151** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 02:27 PM

Jay: No you silly boy. The originals are the "originals", but one day you never know....

Well JBo, as Oinie said SAI did make numerous mods and strengthing changes including suspension and running gear if I'm correct. Also if replacing the anemic 6 cylinder and its running gear and if making sufficient changes to turn the car into a world champion aren't enough mods for you then you apparently believe in the notion it is really an "AC Cobra" and AC deserves the lion share of the credit despite the fact that we know for a fact that if not for SAI, CS and his talented employees like Phil Remmington etc..the AC Ace would be nothing more then a footnote in the automotive history books. Anyone thinking otherwise is just plain wrong or a revisionist. But if you know better your free to keep enjoying your own reality

4pipes · #**152** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 03:31 PM

Why do keep reading this bulls*t!?

Jamo · #**153** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 4pipes

Why do keep reading this bulls*t!?

I at least have an excuse...I have to read it so at the last minute, just before thousands of folks from around the world are about to stomp Evan's a$$, I can close the thread. It's where the Sopranos got the idea for the last show.

CowtownCobra · #**154** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by REAL 1

Besides right now I'm too busy enjoying the new Ford GT.

Next you'll be saying that bastardized lump is a REAL GT40...never, I repeat, NEVER compare the gorgeous lines of a true GT40 (original or replica) to that POS Ford GT. Sixteen year olds may be impressed by a Ford GT

, but I think they are an insult to the GT40

.

David Kirkham · #**155** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 04:43 PM

Mi Estimado Kris,

Si senor! Y estoy muy orgulloso de el! Por que piensas que puedo hablar con los Polakos? El Polako es tan dificil de aprender, (o estoy un poco lento--no se cual) que tuve que empezar con un idioma que era un poco mas facil de hablar.

Dejaria el nombre "nalgas del caballo" para describir el senador de tu estimado estado.

David
AKA Pancho Villa

kurtmart · #**156** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 04:52 PM

How about this?
At the lasaac show on the santa Monica pier is this:

A COB car. One of the last AC chassis left after Shel cancelled the deal, sold to paramount pictures UK as a bare chassis. They turn it in to various movie cars. They then sell it in the seventies to somebody who shortens the frame (frame too long? prototype for the lenghtened coil over frame that became the Frua bodied AC428?)
Then in the 80's it gets a Brian Angliss body off the old AC bucks, is switched to Left hand drive and given a side oiler (most of the COB cars where delivered as small blocks) and a toploader.
Is this a "real" cobra? It was displayed with the originals, kit cars way far away.
I've got a headache.

KMP 216

David Kirkham · #**157** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 04:58 PM

Anthony,

We have made 50-55 of the 289 cars. I forget how many. Thomas probably knows--he always knows those sorts of things. We sold about 15-20 of those to Shelby--again, Thomas would know the exact number.

So, if you really want a REAL, rare, original, Shelby, continuation, recreation, made in Poland by Kemosabe (con su Tonto Presidente), Shelby allowed mod, kick in the nuts (that was for you, jdog), Las Vegas built, SAI modified, off-shore sourced, don't want to look like a horse's "nalgas", original CSX700? Shelby, better than an original, electric long-framed Frua, then the 289's are the ULTIMATE ones to choose... WOW! 1 of 15 or so. (sorry Evan.)

David

A-Snake · #**158** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kurtmart

How about this?
At the lasaac show on the santa Monica pier is this:

A COB car. One of the last AC chassis left after Shel cancelled the deal, sold to paramount pictures UK as a bare chassis. They turn it in to various movie cars. They then sell it in the seventies to somebody who shortens the frame (frame too long? prototype for the lenghtened coil over frame that became the Frua bodied AC428?)
Then in the 80's it gets a Brian Angliss body off the old AC bucks, is switched to Left hand drive and given a side oiler (most of the COB cars where delivered as small blocks) and a toploader.
Is this a "real" cobra? It was displayed with the originals, kit cars way far away.
I've got a headache.

KMP 216

If you are talking about COB6128 through COB6132, no these are NOT included in the count for original Cobras. These 5 chassis were 'created' for Paramount Film Service, Ltd. for use in a film "Those Daring Young Men in Their Jaunty Jalopies"

mrmustang · #**159** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by xlr8or

Jay please. The zoo rules dictate that you shouldn't feed his ego.

Wouldn't that be considered just more mental masturbation for him?

Hal Copple · #**160** (**permalink**) 10-02-2007, 06:29 PM

Well, i wouldn't know, but if more "replica" Cobras are included in some part of the registry (which is as far as i know a private venture), then won't more expensive copies of the registry be sold, hence more money for the owners of SAAC?

If you put in the SPF cars, the KMP cars, then allow the thousands of FFR cars, just imagine the sales figures.

If i ran the registry, i would make every remotely Cobra connected automobile eligible. Then add the Mustang cars, and retire to Tuscany.

I am sure the Roman Centurians had the same feelings about their chariots.

all the best,

hal copple, in Sunny but dry Upstate SC