Kirkham in Shelby Registry

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by richsd

It has been some time since I have looked at this forum. When reading this thread, I was immediately reminded why I am not all that interested anymore. It seems that information can't be shared without a ridiculous amount of useless commentary. It was great to hear from Tom Kirkham last week that our cars will be going into the registry. When I saw this thread I thought maybe it would be an interesting discussion on the topic. Unfortunately many of the posts here seem to be written by 4th graders. It is just a bummer to have such good topics become so frustrating due to the childish comments. Okay, I have wasted enough time here. I will check back in a few months but I am sure there will be more of the same garbage.

Well, you know what you can do...

Actually, this thread has not taken on any of the combative characteristics of threads past, but has rather been a bit of bantor amongst a group of friends who have thrown rocks in the past for no particular advancement of the human nature. You likely didn't catch onto that, and took much of what was said as serious in context.

Believe it or not, sometimes folks that have been around here for several years just like to have some fun instead of being at the ready for answering countless questions and providing info to others who see this as more of a google site which should adopt their own particular self-determined standards for their somewhat limited visits and do nothing but deliver answers to them in identical wrappers through the drive-through window. Believe it or not, there's a place to come in and sit down and relax and exchange views over a more pronounced visit...

See, some folks actaully enjoy the company of each other...the cars are simply a means to that end. When you start taking your car that seriously, you run the risk of taking yourself the same damn way.

But hey...to each his own.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

BTW I will look for the four cars in the Registry that "you are attached to" whatever that means.

God Bless America.

Shelbys that I have owned, or currently do own .


Bill S.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Shelbys that I have pwned, or currently do own .


Bill S.

I didn't know pawn shops would take Shelbys...I'll be damned.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Jamo

I didn't know pawn shops would take Shelbys...I'll be damned.

Ok, all fixed

[richsd]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Actually, this thread has not taken on any of the combative characteristics of threads past, but has rather been a bit of bantor amongst a group of friends who have thrown rocks in the past for no particular advancement of the human nature. You likely didn't catch onto that, and took much of what was said as serious in context.

Sounds great. Enjoy the bantor. I think I will prefer to enjoy my car while the weather is still good. I will save my bantor for the winter when driving it is not possible.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Ok, all fixed

Didn't think it was broken...sorta assplained the inflated prices.

[David Kirkham]

Kemosabe,

Well, I really don't have the definitive definition...but this is what they always taught us in Spanish classes.

Consider the Lone Ranger is set in Texas. Consider we relieved Mexico (fair and square, of course) of Texas in the Mexican American war. As such, there were quite a few Spanish speaking people there (still are).

"Kemosabe" sounds a lot like "Quien no sabe" which translated (depending on context) means "he who doesn't know," or "who doesn't know [that]." In other words, the Lone Ranger was an idiot because anyone should know the answer to such a dumb question and Tonto was simply calling him an idiot.

Now, why would nice Tonto call the Lone Ranger an idiot...

"Tonto" directly translates to "fool" in Spanish. With all the little old Spanish/Mexican ladies the Lone Ranger saved over countless episodes, there is little doubt it was quite the inside joke on the set.

David

ps. What was this thread about anyway?

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by David Kirkham

Kemosabe,

Well, I really don't have the definitive definition...but this is what they always taught us in Spanish classes.

Consider the Lone Ranger is set in Texas. Consider we relieved Mexico (fair and square, of course) of Texas in the Mexican American war. As such, there were quite a few Spanish speaking people there (still are).

"Kemosabe" sounds a lot like "Quien no sabe" which translated (depending on context) means "he who doesn't know," or "who doesn't know [that]." In other words, the Lone Ranger was an idiot because anyone should know the answer to such a dumb question and Tonto was simply calling him an idiot.

Now, why would nice Tonto call the Lone Ranger an idiot...

"Tonto" directly translates to "fool" in Spanish. With all the little old Spanish/Mexican ladies the Lone Ranger saved over countless episodes, there is little doubt it was quite the inside joke on the set.

David

ps. What was this thread about anyway?

Nuthin important...jdog's still wanting an arruminum body, but we all said he couldn't have one unless he switches badges to KMP ones.

[Lew Ledyard]

Originally Posted by David Kirkham

Kemosabe,

Well, I really don't have the definitive definition...but this is what they always taught us in Spanish classes.

Consider the Lone Ranger is set in Texas. Consider we relieved Mexico (fair and square, of course) of Texas in the Mexican American war. As such, there were quite a few Spanish speaking people there (still are).

"Kemosabe" sounds a lot like "Quien no sabe" which translated (depending on context) means "he who doesn't know," or "who doesn't know [that]." In other words, the Lone Ranger was an idiot because anyone should know the answer to such a dumb question and Tonto was simply calling him an idiot.

Now, why would nice Tonto call the Lone Ranger an idiot...

"Tonto" directly translates to "fool" in Spanish. With all the little old Spanish/Mexican ladies the Lone Ranger saved over countless episodes, there is little doubt it was quite the inside joke on the set.

David

ps. What was this thread about anyway?

Sort of like the Toyota MR2, or Mr. 2. The word "two" in japanese is "ni". "San" is added to the end of a name to signify "Mr." Therefore, a Toyota MR2 losely translates to a "Toyota Nisan".

[xlr8or]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Interesting point. Billy Andrews told me there are only about 100 aluminum bodied Continuation seires Shelbys right now. Thats less then the original series. Pretty rare by any standard.

Oh look, a new way to add exclusivity to the car. I wonder how many of that 100 were painted black?

100 seems low to me. I thought I heard Kirkham had supplied them with 150 or more.

I think SAAC has a good idea to keep track of the K cars to prevent "air cars" in the future.

Jdog I think you should do it. Nothing wrong with having the current day aluminum body experts make the change. As mentioned they have been the source for restorations and repairs as well as supplied Shelby.

[Jim Maxwell]

I had never really pondered the fact that AC Cars LTD made the body and chassis and interior and assembled all the other "outsourced" parts by Lucas and Smith and Stewart Warner, and Ceandess (fuel caps), and AMCO (windwings, visors, luggage racks), Wilmot-Breeden, Beclawat, Shelley jacks, BDS pliers and screwdrivers, Dunlop and Hallibrand wheels, Goodyear tires... etc. The whole darned thing is nothing but a bunch of "outsourced" parts.

The 289's I've seen don't have a single Shelby label anywhere, but most have a nifty little footbox tag that reads, "AC Cars" and fender emblems that read "Powered by Ford".
Shelby "opted" to have AC build the bodies and chassis? Instead of what? Building them in-house? They had absolutely no way of doing any of that, ever. It wasn't a matter of opting to let AC build them. There was no other choice. "Allowed" AC to build the rollers? Again, no other choice, I think. Did Shelby and/or Ford ever even consider building the cars in-house?
The majority of the components of almost every Cobra were assembled in England at AC , with most Cobras receiving the engines and transmissions and a few other bits at the Shelby plant at LAX.
Of course, Shelby and his crew created and designed the Cobras and contracted with AC to build the new cars (which were very closely based on the AC Ace for the 260/289 series), so... I guess you are absolutely correct. Shelby outsourced his design to AC for fabrication. Carroll Shelby can therefore be credited with being ahead of his time in one more area. He led the way for off-shoring the construction of "American" automobiles. He beat NAFTA by decades! Still doing it in some recent years with Polish made aluminum bodies, via Kirkham. I guess the point is that if a unique part comes through Shelby in some way, it validates it as genuine Shelby, and that makes sense. If you can buy exactly the same part from the outsourcing manufacturer through another vendor , then that isn't necessarily a Shelby part.

[jdog]

Well I guess after all this, I have to do it! It's not a matter of if, but when.

David, glad to see your 'listening', old pal, friend, Kemo.....oh never mind. Do you hear that? That's the cash register ringing from my 'CSX re-body package deal' idea. I can offer my car as a 'guinea pig'. You could photo the whole thing and use it for promotions.
If I had the 'discretionary funds' right now, I'd place the order today. You could 'reverse engineer' the fiberglass body and ,.....nevermind.

I wish I had a boat, so I could sell it!

Anybody want to buy an Ithica 12ga. s/s shotgun, valued at about $25,000?

I think having a car that had been worked on at the famed Kirkham 'Skunk-works' somewhere in the desert's of Utah, would only make it unique. As Jamo said there have been several CSX cars visit the Skunk-works, and they come back 'changed'.

Now where are the keys to the gun safe?

jdog
P.S. I was in the toy store the other day with my 3 year old nephew and I showed him a plastic car & a metal car. Guess what he said?................Oh, nevermind!

[David Kirkham]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Interesting point. Billy Andrews told me there are only about 100 aluminum bodied Continuation seires Shelbys right now. Thats less then the original series. Pretty rare by any standard.

Evan,

I wonder what Shelby did with the other 100 or so frames and bodies we sold them??? (We have sold them around 200 frames and bodies).

jdog,

Just let us know when you are ready to polish some real metal.

David

[Allan A]

If you can buy exactly the same part from the outsourcing manufacturer through another vendor , then that isn't necessarily a Shelby part.

Ok, if we live by this, then the CSX 7000 or CSX 4000 fiberglass cars made in Las Vegas would be the only Cobra's to claim 30% Shelby inside

[kris-kincaid]

David, whats with the Spanish lesson? Were you a Spanish major or something??

BTW, I always thought Kemosabe means "Horses behind" ??

[jdog]

My wife just caught me wiping down her Grandfather's old shotgun!

jdog
P.S. "For Sale" , one CSX fiberglass body, some dis-assembly required!
Anybody know anything about antique clocks?

[Jamo]

So now Evan's got to be thinking: "...was Jamo expressing a term of endearment to me?"

...or was he telling me I'm a "no-nothing?"

...or was he calling me a horse's a$$?

...all of the above?

Hehehe...

[Jamo]

jdog...put the gun down. Arruminum ain't worth it, and you're gonna make a big mess.

Just walk into the yard tomorrow and go kick the biggest SOB square in the nuts. Your family can collect some hazard pay that way.

Oh...you were gonna sell it?

[JBo]

Real1...Shelby did not "allow" AC to build the bodies...you need to do some reading on the subject...all cars except the Daytonas were rollers designed by AC; (with the 427's - help from FoMoCo in suspension). AC had been building Aces which with frame tube increases became 260/289s and with Fords help in designing suspension ,427's with the bodies and frames modified to Ford spec to stand the torque and hp. A reasonable book on this is Legates Cobra 40 years or some such title or read some of the earlier books on the subject.

[REAL 1]

Let me rephrase this. Shelby utilized outside bodies and chasis from AC. SAI performed numerous mods and improvements to get to the "Cobra". SAI was instrumental in the design of the 427 body and chasis with FoMoCo. He was going to or wanted produce them inhouse but did finally decide to let AC do the manufacture based on labor costs.

That to me is "outsourcing." The cars in the end were Shelby Cobras.

I believe you will find these facts in numerous Cobra books not just Legates.