CSX vs. Kirkham - Page 4

imagine2frolic · #61 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 10:30 AM

Ernie,

Is that for the slabside with leaf springs front, and rear?

767Jockey · #62 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 10:35 AM

I just went to the Kirkham website. The option of the original type suspension on a 427 car is $15,995.00. Remember, that's in ADDITION to what you're already paying for the billet suspension.

Excaliber · #63 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 10:35 AM

As I understand it that is the additional cost for the classic 427 model. I don't know how it might apply to a leaf spring model.

RodKnock · #64 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 10:38 AM

I doubt that there is any empirical evidence that shows that the Kirkham is better than the CSX. I thought both cars drove differently. Also, when the Kirkham's produce parts in house, such as the gauges, aluminum rear end, billet suspension, I think at least theoretically they're trying to not only increase their profit margins but also at the same time improve quality control by less outsourcing. I'm fairly sure about the former, but have no evidence of the latter.

They're both wonderful cars in their own respects. I would suggest that they attract two different owner types.

1ntCobra · #65 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by joey_hv

hi, uh sorry to interrupt (ran out of popcorn) quick question, didn't someone mention on another thread that you could "buy" a csx # from Shelby for 10k? so if the quality of the Kirkham equals Shelby (for the sake of argument i am assuming it does) couldn't you just buy a roller from Km and buy the number from shel???
just thinking aloud, carry on, popcorn is ready.

The car in question that you could supposedly "buy" a csx # from Shelby for 10k, was a Shelby produced body and frame that was sold to someone without a csx number for the purpose of building a race car. Sort of like an illegitimate child that you could take back to the Shelby people to pay to legitimize.

Although most alumimum csx cars start off with a frame and body sourced from Kirkham, I don't think you have any chance of buying a csx number for a Kirkham.

1ntCobra · #66 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Excaliber

As I understand it that is the additional cost for the classic 427 model. I don't know how it might apply to a leaf spring model.

From Kirkham's website for the FIA car, it looks like you need to pay for 2 upgrades:

3" Leaf spring frame = 995
Original style suspension = 15,995

jdog · #67 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Although most alumimum csx cars start off with a frame and body sourced from Kirkham, I don't think you have any chance of buying a csx number for a Kirkham.

No,but you can buy an alum body for your CSX!

jdog

RedBarchetta · #68 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Super Genius

Hello,

I am an engineer and a business owner...My wife and I own two of the top configured / optioned Kirkham cars...Guys (and gals) that have the coin for a $100k+ second car (6th and 7th for me)...

Dad?!? Have I finally found you?!?

Signed,

Super Genius Jr.

Igofastr · #69 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBarchetta

Dad?!? Have I finally found you?!?

Signed,

Super Genius Jr.

NO WAY!! YOU ILLEGIT BASTERD. Quit trying to horn in on my Sugar...er, Daddy.

Power Surge · #70 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

From Kirkham's website for the FIA car, it looks like you need to pay for 2 upgrades:

3" Leaf spring frame = 995
Original style suspension = 15,995

The FIA is a hybrid car. It comes with the 427 suspension. If you want original leaf spring suspension, that's extra.

I spoke to David at the 05 Summit about original suspension, as I wanted some for my prior Kirkham. He said it would be an additional 10-15k (don't recall the exact number, it was one of those two).

767Jockey · #71 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 12:08 PM

The $15,995.00 is right off their website today. Look at the "pricing" section. When you look at the cost of the roller from Kirkham, which obviously is just a thing of beauty, that's just an ENOURMOUS price increase over the cost of the car itself. Just running the numbers through my head, and I'm admittedly no math whiz, I come up with an increase of over 25% of the value of the car itself. Incredible. And again, that's over and above what you're already paying for that Billet setup, which I'm sure isn't cheap to begin with. Wow.

1ntCobra · #72 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBarchetta

Dad?!? Have I finally found you?!?

Signed,

Super Genius Jr.

Well I bet you could slip 10k to the right DNA lab to legitimize your birthright. But for less fraudulent results, I bet for 25k the kirkham brothers could put an aluminum body on your sfp.

Russ Dickey · #73 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 12:16 PM

This thread is the perfect reason we need to resurrect the discussion of having a comprehensive "FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS" section. This needs to be the third topic in that section, right under the "big block vs. small block" and "is it real" threads....

1ntCobra · #74 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Power Surge

The FIA is a hybrid car. It comes with the 427 suspension. If you want original leaf spring suspension, that's extra.

I spoke to David at the 05 Summit about original suspension, as I wanted some for my prior Kirkham. He said it would be an additional 10-15k (don't recall the exact number, it was one of those two).

Sal,

I'm confused. I stated the 2 exact upgrade prices from the Kirkham webpage that are necessary to get the '3" leaf spring frame' and the 'original style suspension' on the FIA car (which yes is a hybrid, if you don't upgrade to the leaf spring frame).

Power Surge · #75 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Sal,

I'm confused. I stated the 2 exact upgrade prices from the Kirkham webpage that are necessary to get the '3" leaf spring frame' and the 'original style suspension' on the FIA car (which yes is a hybrid, if you don't upgrade to the leaf spring frame).

You're talking about something different. We are talking about the cost to upgrade the 427 car from billet suspension/modern brakes, to original suspension/Girling brakes. What you took off the site, was the upgrade for the FIA car, to go from 427 suspension, to original small block leaf spring suspension.

Super Genius · #76 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBarchetta

Dad?!? Have I finally found you?!?

Signed,

Super Genius Jr.

If it makes you feel any worse, my wife is really hot!! Keep an eye on Kirkham's website - photos of her and her car will be on there shortly (not a hired model). Maybe on the main page if I can convince David!

imagine2frolic · #77 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 12:48 PM

Super,

That is bad parenting to make your son wait so long. Why not post a pic here, and get his anguish over with?

1ntCobra · #78 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Power Surge

You're talking about something different. We are talking about the cost to upgrade the 427 car from billet suspension/modern brakes, to original suspension/Girling brakes. What you took off the site, was the upgrade for the FIA car, to go from 427 suspension, to original small block leaf spring suspension.

Ack! I was answering someone else's question about how original suspension would be priced on the leaf spring car...

It seems that you can pick the original suspension option on both the 427 and the FIA car. In either case it costs 15,995. The 3 inch leaf spring frame costs 995, but is only an option on the FIA car.

However, the question for David might be, is it valid to pick both original suspension and 3 inch leaf spring frame for an FIA car? Or does the original suspension option only fit the 4 inch coil spring frame? I might be making too much of an assumption that those options are compatible with one another, because an original suspension for the leaf spring frame is probably pretty different that the original suspension for the coil spring frame.

big-boss · #79 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 01:08 PM

Was a good thread.

Then as fast as a 427 Cobra goes from zero to 60, we went to a guy pimping out pictures of his wife and all in between. COOL!

Jamo · #80 (**permalink**) 10-31-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stentor

One piece of advice...

Stop worrying about what folks on this forum say, and make the decision that is right for you.

You are always going to get differing points of view on this forum on topics like this (it's like a political debate).

As mentioned by many others, you can't go wrong with either car--glass CSX or Kirkham.

It sounds like you've done your due diligence, now you just need to push forward and make a decision.

We look forward to seeing pictures of your car (either way you go, I am sure it will be a beauty).

Now you need to focus on who is going to do your install/assembly for you.

Good luck.

Well said...everything else is bullsh!t and guessing, or both.

Only other factor I would consider is whether you want to deal directly with the factory (Kirkham) or go through a dealership (Shelby). I like the former...some have had problems with the latter setup.