rumor control--has SAAC lost its use of Shelby name?

[amy B]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

If that is how SAI Corporate feels, that works for me. You don't mind if I forward off your comments to "a few of my friends", do you?


Bill S.

Bill feel free to do what ever, make sure you make it clear, I meant "with you".

You win, I have decided you can have the "snide banter award"

Amy

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by amy B

Bill feel free to do what ever, make sure you make it clear, I meant "with you".

You win, I have decided you can have the "snide banter award"

Amy

Amy,

As with anything I've ever chosen to forward to "my friends", it will be made quite clear, and quite in context to what was said, who said it, and how it was received and perceived by not only myself as a long time Shelby enthusiast/supporter (maybe a check of contributions to various Shelby related causes and groups is in order), but as a shareholder in SAI as well.

As for your comment about "snide banter", my comments and my posts are anything but snide. Perhaps a bit on the eye opening side, but always straight forward and to the point. Politically correct be damned, I call it exactly like I see it. There need not be a winner or a loser in a frank discussion or conversation (in person or on line), does there?

Again I wish you well.

Bill S.

[kayakjack]

Amy,

I understand licensing.

The trouble is that people want to have trust in the name Shelby. If people don't trust it, you do not have anything. Nothing.

When Shelby allows his name to be associated with something, he is putting his name and reputation on it. It may be "licensing", but your name and reputation are on the line.

If you allow your name to be used and then retract it when things don't go well and well meaning people are left holding the bag, you can only go to the well so many times.

Amy, it is things like this that upsets folks about Carroll. We all love and admire what he did in the sixties. But since then it has been one lawsuit after another. One half baked deal after another. Not enough win/win situations. Plenty of Win/Lose situations.

I own a Superformance. Shelby came to an agreement with them, but only after a ton of dumb legal expenses which hurt everyone.

I know my postings here have been pretty "in your face". I don't usually like to talk that way. I'd like to have a reason to support Shelby American. I'd like to have a reason to associate myself with anything the Organization does. I'd like to admire Shelby for his current actions, not just the sixties. But there is no reason to. Stuff like the Unique Performance Eleanor deal is just one more straw.

Go back to basics and treat folks like people. Get rid of the lawyers. Act nice. Treat customers with respect.

Jack

[427sharpe]

Quantum? In Farmers Branch?? I have never heard of them. I wonder if the are related somehow to Unique Performance........

"Unique Performance Concepts is a joint venture between Unique Performance and the Tecstar Automotive Group, a subsidiary of Quantum Fuel Systems Technologies Worldwide (Nasdaq: QTWW)."

I looked and qtww and found no mention of this in the news section. CERTAINLY CS would not put some sort of shell game out there.....would he? I also googled Quantum Performance Texas and found nothing other than the SA news release. Time will tell. but I DO know where an empty building is in Farmers Branch, and it's all set up to Mustang work...was barely used by the last tenant.

[amy B]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Amy,

As with anything I've ever chosen to forward to "my friends", it will be made quite clear, and quite in context to what was said, who said it, and how it was received and perceived by not only myself as a long time Shelby enthusiast/supporter (maybe a check of contributions to various Shelby related causes and groups is in order), but as a shareholder in SAI as well.

As for your comment about "snide banter", my comments and my posts are anything but snide. Perhaps a bit on the eye opening side, but always straight forward and to the point. Politically correct be damned, I call it exactly like I see it. There need not be a winner or a loser in a frank discussion or conversation (in person or on line), does there?

Again I wish you well.

Bill S.

Bill, I call them as I see them, your first post to me was an attack, you might have meant it another way, I think it was written derogatorily, my opinion and perception.

This post I feel is threatening.Your friends, your contributions and your stock,this info has no bearing in this conversation, unless it's a threat. I don't know you and in a heated exchange on this site as I try to talk to members you are threatening. Again My opinion/ my perception.

I call it as I see it as well, I will also be showing these posts to people as the President of Shelby,I also have Friends as well and I am also a stockholder. I am done with this conversation.

I wish you well

Amy

[amy B]

Originally Posted by kayakjack

Amy,

I understand licensing.

The trouble is that people want to have trust in the name Shelby. If people don't trust it, you do not have anything. Nothing.

When Shelby allows his name to be associated with something, he is putting his name and reputation on it. It may be "licensing", but your name and reputation are on the line.

If you allow your name to be used and then retract it when things don't go well and well meaning people are left holding the bag, you can only go to the well so many times.

Amy, it is things like this that upsets folks about Carroll. We all love and admire what he did in the sixties. But since then it has been one lawsuit after another. One half baked deal after another. Not enough win/win situations. Plenty of Win/Lose situations.

I own a Superformance. Shelby came to an agreement with them, but only after a ton of dumb legal expenses which hurt everyone.

I know my postings here have been pretty "in your face". I don't usually like to talk that way. I'd like to have a reason to support Shelby American. I'd like to have a reason to associate myself with anything the Organization does. I'd like to admire Shelby for his current actions, not just the sixties. But there is no reason to. Stuff like the Unique Performance Eleanor deal is just one more straw.

Go back to basics and treat folks like people. Get rid of the lawyers. Act nice. Treat customers with respect.

Jack

Jack , I don't disagree with, I just can't comment on this, I am not on this issue. And due to the current issues it's not my place, I dont run licensing.

On the Quantum question, they are not related to Unique performance, They are a separate company doing business with SAI as a mod center extension for us.


Amy

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by amy B

Bill, I call them as I see them, your first post to me was an attack, you might have meant it another way, I think it was written derogatorily, my opinion and perception.

This post I feel is threatening.Your friends, your contributions and your stock,this info has no bearing in this conversation, unless it's a threat. I don't know you and in a heated exchange on this site as I try to talk to members you are threatening. Again My opinion/ my perception.

I call it as I see it as well, I will also be showing these posts to people as the President of Shelby,I also have Friends as well and I am also a stockholder. I am done with this conversation.

I wish you well

Amy

Amy,

I'm truly sorry you see anything I've posted as a threat, I have never posted any threats, insinuated, wrongly perceived or otherwise. I again make it known that I have been a long term supporter of Shelby to the point of donating money to his charities, donating my time (more valuable in certain automotive circles than my money) to nurture his past and his present, and even to the point of investing in SAI as a shareholder, something I was told would be a losing proposition, but I did it anyway. I have more sweat equity and time in Shelby than you, why can I say that, simple, because I did it for the passion (since 1981 officially and far earlier as a grandchild of an ex sales manager for a Shelby dealer in NJ back in the 60's and 70's where my passion for these cars can and will always be attributed to) of it all where you are doing it for the bottom line dollar value (that is why you were brought on board according to public records and PR news releases by SAI) of the company.

Once again and as always, I do wish you well.

Bill S.

[kris-kincaid]

I was standing there as a Ford guy at SEMA asked Quantum if they are related to Unique and the guy said they are in no way whatsoever connected. They're cool.

Originally Posted by 427sharpe

Quantum? In Farmers Branch?? I have never heard of them. I wonder if the are related somehow to Unique Performance........

"Unique Performance Concepts is a joint venture between Unique Performance and the Tecstar Automotive Group, a subsidiary of Quantum Fuel Systems Technologies Worldwide (Nasdaq: QTWW)."

I looked and qtww and found no mention of this in the news section. CERTAINLY CS would not put some sort of shell game out there.....would he? I also googled Quantum Performance Texas and found nothing other than the SA news release. Time will tell. but I DO know where an empty building is in Farmers Branch, and it's all set up to Mustang work...was barely used by the last tenant.

[Excaliber]

Bill, your comments sound threatening (and rude) to Amy from where I'm sitting, like you said, just calling it the way I see it.

[amy B]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Amy,

I'm truly sorry you see anything I've posted as a threat, I have never posted any threats, insinuated, wrongly perceived or otherwise. I again make it known that I have been a long term supporter of Shelby to the point of donating money to his charities, donating my time (more valuable in certain automotive circles than my money) to nurture his past and his present, and even to the point of investing in SAI as a shareholder, something I was told would be a losing proposition, but I did it anyway. I have more sweat equity and time in Shelby than you, why can I say that, simple, because I did it for the passion (since 1981 officially and far earlier as a grandchild of an ex sales manager for a Shelby dealer in NJ back in the 60's and 70's where my passion for these cars can and will always be attributed to) of it all where you are doing it for the bottom line dollar value (that is why you were brought on board according to public records and PR news releases by SAI) of the company.

Once again and as always, I do wish you well.

Bill S.

Bill, lets agree to disagree, Forums are a bad place for mis-interpeted discusions.

I will say one more thing, I was hired by Carroll to fix his company, I was a friend first, not an employee. I took the job for the man I admired, and his employees and his customers and supporters. I took it with no salary for the first year because there was no money but there was a huge debt and 137 cobras on back order. Carroll had to give me the money to fix it, There was no collateral, no new loans to be had and I had to make sure everyone of those cars were delivered.

On a personal note, I own 9 cars myself, I have been a car girl my whole life, I learned it from my dad, he didn't have much, but one car he treasured and loved which is where my passion comes from, which is in all those printed items you talk about. Not all things are as they appear. I have this passion, I also have this job. Neither seems to be easy right now.

Do you think I would post on this site if I didn't care? I could just as easlily deal with this offline, I could let the post die. It isn't always about the bottomline. Maybejust maybe I want this to workout for all concerned. I am not the normal CEO of a company, I am not a suit, hell I wear sneakers.

Maybe I pre judged you and maybe..... you pre judged me as well


Amy
Maybe it will get to 20 pages

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Bill, your comments sound threatening (and rude) to Amy from where I'm sitting, like you said, just calling it the way I see it.

Thanks Ernie

[Chaplin]

Amy,
Pay no attention to Bill . . . we don't.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Chaplin

Amy,
Pay no attention to Bill . . . we don't.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks Chappy, I needed that

[Chaplin]

I'm just here to help.

[lineslinger]

If nothing else, Amy didn't bail out of this.
Tested? Yeah and I got a feeling its not over.
Is everything hunkydory?
No.
You have to give her credit for not disappearing and playing corporate hide and seek, that would have been easy.
She chose not to.

[RedCSX1]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Thanks Ernie

Bill,

In this very rare occasion, I have to agree with Ernie, and we know you. I have to give Amy props for hanging in there when people are piling on.

[RodKnock]

Here's my agenda. I've paid dues and purchased merchandise from SAAC for a very, very long time. I'm not a stockholder in SAI, but the way I see it is that SAI claims to have just spent or is in the process of spending $200,000 +/- on their website. Maybe SAI may be able to produce a nice magazine on a bi-monthly or quarterly basis, which was SAAC's aim about 10-20 years ago and also be able to ship out a registry faster than every 10-15 years. I'm sure I'm missing something between the lines, but I for one appreciate the information that Amy is putting forth. Let her answer questions without the 3rd degree.

[70GT350]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

“When I walked away from racing and the car business in the early 1970s, never, in my wildest dreams, would I have thought those cars could develop the kind of following they have today. At first I was surprised that anyone cared about them at all. But as time went on, through the 1970s and into the 1980s, I began to realize how special they were. And I wasn’t alone. One of the reasons these cars are so exceptional is because of what they accomplished. Everyone who worked for Shelby American had a hand in that. But once we closed the company’s doors, we stepped out of the picture. If it wasn’t for a small handful of owners and enthusiasts who dedicated themselves to these cars, the Cobras and Shelby Mustangs would be just so many old, used cars today. That dedication is illustrated by this registry. When we were building the cars, our goal was to get them out the door and into the hands of dealers and owners. We never paid much attention to how many were four-speeds and how many were automatics, or how many were painted red, or to any of the small details that today’s owners find so interesting.
The Shelby American Automobile Club’s exceptional dedication is responsible for keeping the bloodline of these cars from being diluted by fakes and look-alikes. That translates into the continuing high level of interest in them as well as their high values. The publication of a book like this assures Cobras and Shelby Mustangs their rightful place in automotive history. An incredible amount of work has gone into gathering the information contained in this book, sorting through it, organizing it and then turning it into the printed page. It is truly a labor of love for everyone who was involved. I know what that’s all about because the Cobra was a labor of love for me.”

Carroll Shelby
Shelby American World Registry 1997

So what happened between then and now to the point Shelby wants the paperwork back that SAAC has and spent many, many hours getting by sifting through all the other docs that they were filed away with at Shelby's offices in California before SAAC spent the time and money to make them RELATIVE? Gary

[70GT350]

Originally Posted by DougD

It's a shame. Once the almighty dollar is the reason decisions are made, it's the beginning of their downfall. It's not about the cars anymore. I see blame to be shared on both sides.

In my opinion, Kopec and crew have done it to themselves. They have provided themselves with a lifestyle bought and paid for by the "members" of SAAC, most of which are totally clueless as to how the "club" is run. While you can't take away from them what they have accomplished in the distant past, I feel they have squandered their current positions with their elitist attitudes and general complacency toward their "members". To say that Shelby is the only one doing this "just for the money" is only half of the story.

I would bet that a majority of club members KNOW how the club is run and I knew from when I joined in 1990. After seeing some clubs ruined by new leaders I am happy that the way SAAC has been diligent with these cars and the stability of the club has been there. Sure its not perfect but I feel that they have been great gatekeepers of the Shelby car documents. Could you imagine down the road the new club getting all those documents on our cars and then if this club goes away then what would happen to the documents? I hope SAAC wins the right(its in proceedings I hear) to keep the docs. A gift is a gift. Gary
1970 Gt350 convertible export car
1968 GT350 fastback

[Naumoff]

Some American Automobile Club

I hope it all works out. I Love cars and especially old Fords. Grew up working on them and will always love them.

If Shelby wants to start a Club that is great. I don't see any reason why SAAC can't continue on. they just can't display his logo.
I don't know what the big deal is about displaying his logo as far as I can see it that is free advertisement. And we all know how expensive advertisement is.
I run my business on my reputation. Word of mouth. A bad reputation is hard to pull out of. Shelby is in this situation and not knowing his game plan but it looks like this could be a move to shake off the replica owners, as SAAC lets us participate at there events. I hope this is not true.
With the Cobras there, as we all know, not that many of them. And chances of owning one even if you have the money are slim.
Shelby could start a Cobra Club as Power Surge said and unite all brand of Cobra replica owner.And I think someone else mentioned 10,000 happy fake Cobra owners makes good business sense to me.
The fake Cobras are really what has kept the fires burning for the Shelby Name. Cobras are Shelby, Mustangs are Ford.