Shelby vs SAAC

[Naumoff]

Shelby has built his reputation in the 50's and 60's with his being a winning driver and then building a winning team and cars.

Everything I see after that without a racing heritage to go with it seems to be nothing more than a designer brand. Much like the Eddie Bauer Bronco.

Anything not built during his racing and WINNING does not hold the same prestige.

Face it. It is Shelby winning that the Legend is built on.

We all love a winner.
I would like to see Shelby put a winning racing team together and throw that Mustang back in the mix. Then I can look at the new GT500 and say it has a racing heritage behind it.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by CHANMADD

Well here's another interpretation posted by 1985CCX !
Is it genuine or real?

Genuine AC Cobra at Bergerac concours

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YAHz...eature=related

For sure a MK IV, has the bumper isolators and the 69 Corvette side marker lights (I know they are Corvette, I used to go to the locals Chevy dealer and buy them for Autokraft! ) Sure sounds nice..........

Rick

[Excaliber]

...nice for a tiny block...

[Trevor Legate]

OK I may be mistaken! I only glanced very briefly at the video and the car reminded me of a replica I was viewing a few weeks back - but it does appear to have impact bumpers! I was thinking it was claiming to be a 'Superblower' but the supercharger installation looks rather different to that and I believe all the Superblowers retain their ugly central-instrument panel....

[Lowell W]

IMNSHO: if it hadn't been for SAAC on the one hand, and replica manufacturers and owners on the other, most people would neither know, nor give a REAL sh1t, who Carroll Shelby was; nor would they recognize the car. But for them and us, he'd still be peddling chili and guitars and other crap. Oh yeah...and hawking replicas of his original race cars.

Lowell

[Mark IV]

Trevor,

Note the trimmed cowl edge as MK IV's have. And the exhuast pipes look like the fueley MK IV units. Definetly has the "bouncey-bumper" isolators (79-84 Mustang parts, I also supplied those...but they trimmed, chopped and modified those)

The second assistant Cobra Guru has spoken!

Rick

[What'saCobra?]

Dr. Rick
Looks quite correctly at that. On the video listen to the frenchie sophisticants titter as the English-speaking driver throws a left-rear little dirt. Heavens!

Trev
Check with a few of our londonium betters, members of the Hurlingham Club, about the yellow M6B that started up one night at the big Louis Vuitton Elegance contest in 1996 and left two very wide black stripes on the ClubHouse macadam, straight into the crowd, that all dropped their drinky-poos as this American madman drove right at their sorrily over-dressed assymtotes. Of course i got it stopped, less than 100 feet all together, but it did torque off my date in the right seat a wee. It was more than a little loud and just over ankle high.

You cannot believe how fast all those poshy folks jumped backwards, as a single organism, with hundreds of giant red stained & bleached white eyeballs and thousands of nice white teeth evidenced in the bright night lighting.

i had gotten bored with the many lovely very oldies putt-putting around the grounds in the evenings car parade, so since the motor was nicely warmed up and the tires needed a heat, i let 'em have a racing experience.

EVERYBODY came over after the pseudo-parade and thanked me for scaring the living daylights out of their wives and girlfriends... didn't bother them, of course. i told 'em it seemed to me there was no sex bias in the jump-backwards contests performance and that everybody was acting to save themselves first. Nice noisy party with gallons and gallons of Clicquot.

And the famous Hurlingham ladies? Mumm's the word. Lots of pigeon shooting & i felt like the pigeon.

AC were just closing the various doors and the receivers were calling the shots, to no one's pleasure. Price Waterhouse made a ton of pounds, of course (750K?). And some very unfair decisions, imo.

The thread question? i've soured long ago about both parties. Ned has done a great job protecting the Cobras as much as humanly possible. Don't care for the 350's much either way. Always thought they were lousy drivers, prone to breakage, fall-off parts, terminal rust-buckets, lurid tail slides, spinning in the first turn at LimeRock and Thompson and rather cheap. Got one for a while and confirmed my opinion. 500's were worse. Tended to point North in turns. FORD/Shelby pushed the 289's off the racing market to make the 350 competitive. Bloody shame. 289 remains a wonderful racer and driver.

[cbgolz]

[font="Impact"]To Amy Boylan: Please respond to the request below: This seems to be an very innocent request to preserve the integrity of the "original" Shelby cars, and to prevent "fakes" which will surely abound if there is no watchdog for the Ford VIN/Shelby VIN link. Having these numbers in the public domain, you must admit is dangerous, and can seriously damage the value and integrity of these "original" and "preserved" cars. The links between the Ford Vins and Shelby #s have been carefully preserved, precisely to prevent this type of dilution and destruction of value. Please respond. We Shelby Owners (of the original cars) need to know that you are on our side, and will not publish all the link numbers and encourage fraud, which will surely unsue. There is too much money in the game now, and access to all original numbers will create chaos. We must be assured that these "linked numbers" will not be published, period. Please respond. This is a crucial issue to vintage Shelby owners. We have tremendous sums of money invested in preserving the few "original cars that remain, and we need to know that all of our investment of time and money is not in vain. If the "linked numbers " are published, there will be no way to distinguish between an original car and a clone with repro data plates, etc. This issue is paramount in importance to the maintenance of the original Marque. Please give your assurance that if you do get the SAAC records, that you will protect them as SAAC did. This is our only refuge against the scam artists. We need your help, and your assurance that the records will be protected and monitored as SAAC did. The registrars did a marvelous job of security.
My major concern, as the owner of a '65 GT350 and a '70 GT500 is that, if the records from SAAC are ever "turned over" to any other entity (CAI or anyone else), will the integrity of those records, including the original Ford VINs linked to the original Shelby cars, be maintained? If access to those linked VINs is made available to the general public, my fear is that it would unleash a torrent of fakes and clones with numbers to match the "real" original Shelbys. Whatever you all may say about SAAC, the one thing they have always held sacred is the protection of those original Ford VINs, to prove the authenticity of the original cars. Without that protection, I am confident that the value of the original Shelby production cars from '65 to '70 will plummet. Obviously, as the owner of two of these cars, my comments are self serving, but I know there are many other "original car" owners who share my feelings. We have all invested a ton of time and money restoring and preserving these vehicles, and have finally seen the values increase in recent years. I shudder to think what would happen to that valuation, if all of the Ford/Shelby VIN links were available in the public domain. I would like to hear Amy's comments about that possibility, which has been mentioned in several Shelby chat rooms between enthusiasts. We (as owners of the original Shelby cars) need to hear that our valuations will not be diluted due to widespread distribution of this Ford/Shelby link of VIN/car numbers. That would truly be a disaster for all of us who have preserved these cars in their original form. There is no room for fakes, and distribution of these numbers would destroy the integrity of the originals. Any comments, Amy?[/quote]

[cbgolz]

:mad: :mad:

[QUOTE to Amy Boylan

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=cbgolz]Dear Amy,
My major concern, as the owner of a '65 GT350 and a '70 GT500 is that, if the records from SAAC are ever "turned over" to any other entity (CAI or anyone else), will the integrity of those records, including the original Ford VINs linked to the original Shelby cars, be maintained? If access to those linked VINs is made available to the general public, my fear is that it would unleash a torrent of fakes and clones with numbers to match the "real" original Shelbys. Whatever you all may say about SAAC, the one thing they have always held sacred is the protection of those original Ford VINs, to prove the authenticity of the original cars. Without that protection, I am certain that the value of the original Shelby production cars from '65 to '70 will plummet. Obviously, as the owner of two of these cars, my comments are self serving, but I know there are many other "original car" owners who share my feelings. We have all invested a ton of time and money restoring and preserving these vehicles, and have finally seen the values increase in recent years. I shudder to think what would happen to that valuation, if all of the Ford/Shelby VIN links were available in the public domain. I would like to hear Amy's comments about that possibility, which has been mentioned in several Shelby chat rooms between enthusiasts. We (as owners of the original Shelby cars) need to hear that our valuations will not be diluted due to widespread distribution of this Ford/Shelby link of VIN/car numbers. That would truly be a disaster for all of us who have preserved these cars in their original form. There is no room for fakes, and distribution of these numbers would destroy the integrity of the originals. Any comments, Amy?[/quote]

[Trevor Legate]

Rick

I stand educated and corrected - I leapt before I looked (mind you, I'm not the only so-called expert to be similarly mistaken - my error was made in haste, others have been more serious, both professionally and financially. Toally different story.)

Whazza

Would that a mere peasant be admitted to the hallowed halls of the Hurlingham - I can only dream of such splendor and imagine the oceans of Mumm...

[REAL 1]

OmiGod: For a subject claimed to be shunned you guys are waxing on and on. Blah blah blah.

Its REAL simple. www.SAAC.com

They said it in black and white. As they said (not my words) the only difference between the original series and the continuation series is the time frame they were built. Team Shelby takes pretty much the same position. I'm just a say'n what theys a say'n.

Hey, you Shelby detractors out there, you all enjoy your day now!

[Naumoff]

You must admit that owning a 4000 is not the same as owning a 2000 or 3000
built in the sixties.

It is like my Grandmother from England making cakes and and meals in the US when she would come and visit. The ingredients may look the same but the aren't. So the stuff just isn't as good as it is when she made it back home when you first tasted it and fell in love with it.

Gran is dead now so the main part of the knowledge and ingredients is gone.
Some how treacle tarts from somewhere else beside Gran in Jolly Ol' just ain't the same.

[Trevor Legate]

Naumoff

Saddest posting I ever read - and there's us fretting about SAAC when treacle tarts have been tarnished. We been getting our priorities wrong....

I'll ask my lady wife to knock up a batch and send an emergency food parcel!!

[REAL 1]

Yeah. One is older and not built as well. The other is newer and built better.

[RACER X #99]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yeah. One is older and not built as well. The other is newer and built better.

One is a serious collectable the other is a nice copy

[Chaplin]

Originally Posted by RACER X #99

One is a serious collectable the other is a nice replica

fixed it for you.

[imagine2frolic]

OH CHAPLIN, Now you have done it.......the "R" word has come to life. At least one of them has

[Naumoff]

Originally Posted by Trevor Legate

Naumoff

Saddest posting I ever read - and there's us fretting about SAAC when treacle tarts have been tarnished. We been getting our priorities wrong....

I'll ask my lady wife to knock up a batch and send an emergency food parcel!!

Thanks Trevor. But I will manage.

OK Even your hydrogenated Cobra is better but it is not good for your health.

[REAL 1]

Typical "fix" response from the Shelby "have nots".



One thing for sure even the new Shelby "copy" (if this description makes you happy) is likely to have more value in the future then an ERA!

[Chaplin]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Typical "fix" response from the Shelby "have nots".



One thing for sure even the new Shelby "copy" (if this description makes you happy) is likely to have more value in the future then an ERA!

And I hope it has at least double the value of an ERA in the future, since it costs twice as much to build one in the first place!