1967 "S" Code Mustang GT Fastback value?

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by acmjg

From the Cobra-Jet site:
"Starting in 1968 Ford began stamping partial VIN information on a pad just under the back of the driver's side cylinder head of all factory-installed 428 Cobra Jet engines to comply with Government-mandated regulations. Service blocks didn't receive VIN stampings, so as engine swaps have taken place over time it has become very difficult to keep up with this "matching numbers" reality. Once an engine is installed it's practically impossible to see this stamping even if it does exist!"

I know I have read this elsewhere, but they only started stamping the blocks in '68. I could be wrong- won't be the first time!

Anthony

Ford started stamping VIN's into the early "K" code engines as far back as 1965/1966. As for the 428CJ engines, yes, that is correct as Ford did not offer the 428CJ installed in the Mustangs until 1968. However, once again, Ford did indeed stamp a partial VIN in any of the "HiPo" offerings in the Mustang line before that time. Both the MCA and SAAC have these items in their record, as does Kevin Marti (67 and up), and Ford's own internal (sent to dealer) memorandums starting in 1965 (for warranty issues dealing with engine swaps from one HiPo vehicle to another)........Again, not every engine had a partial VIN, just the HiPo related ones.

Bill S.

PS: If you come up to PA, I'll take you for a ride over to where my old 67 "S" code convertible now resides, within you shall see an untouched 390 4V engine with a partial VIN stamping where I told you it would be...Car has less than 47,000 original (the car is all original except for battery, fluids, and misc belts and hoses) miles on it (as of 11/07 when I last saw it), and is now in the collection of a good friend and fellow old car nut in Boonton, NJ...Oh, and yes, I have the right of first refusal at the price I sold it to him for back in 1998

[sportyworty]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Actually two "Q" Code 68's are known to exist (marti book does not show it, but they are there and I have seen both up close and in person), you are correct, I missed the 390 2V "X" code engines in my haste to post before.


Bill S.

Absolute rubbish. ok at best urban legend LOL Show even 1 speck of proof. If you posted this on 428.org or FE forum they would discard that statement in a second Bill.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by sportyworty

Absolute rubbish. ok at best urban legend LOL Show even 1 speck of proof. If you posted this on 428.org or FE forum they would discard that statement in a second Bill.

Sigh, no matter what I post, you just won't believe me so there is no reason to bother. The proof is there, both cars exist, one is now in private hands in Georgia (I missed buying this car in Utica NY by 10 minutes back in 1989 (saw it listed in Hemmings), seller worked for Ford concepts division back in the 60's (this one is a convertible). The second was last seen in 1978 (I saw it at a Mustang show at Knottsberry farms in 1978 and wondered what the hell was a "Q" Code Mustang) and last I heard was undergoing a ground up restoration by Drew Alcazar(sp) for a private overseas collector (circa 1991). Used to have both VIN's (I must have sent over 5,000 to the "In Search of Mustangs" guys and then some) but lost that data, along with quite a bit more in a house fire in 1998. Again, don't take my word on it, but when once of them shows up in an article (similar to the only 1967 Shelby convertible made that people like you stated never existed), then you'll appreciate this post.

Bill S.

[sportyworty]

Didnot ever state there was no 67 500 Vert as there is and is a well known car so do not throw me in that basket. Now as far as the 68 Q code fallacy... easily proven with the rest of the vin if it is not in Marti's published book then just provide the vin to one of the cars and he will show you that they do not exist or are C code cars in actuality. I only asked for 1 small thread of proof so your statement of whatever I post will not help is an excuse. Drew is known to have made all kinds of interestingly equipped Mustangs before Kevin Marti. This is how the legends start and take years to unwind. With the database available it is just silly to make such claims. I googled 'Q code Mustang" the very first thing that came up without even opening the site said No such thing

[sportyworty]

Didnot ever state there was no 67 500 Vert as there is and is a well known car so do not throw me in that basket. Now as far as the 68 Q code fallacy... easily proven with the rest of the vin if it is not in Marti's published book then just provide the vin to one of the cars and he will show you that they do not exist or are C code cars in actuality. I only asked for 1 small thread of proof so your statement of whatever I post will not help is an excuse. Drew is known to have made all kinds of interestingly equipped Mustangs before Kevin Marti. This is how the legends start and take years to unwind. With the database available it is just silly to make such claims. I googled 'Q code Mustang" the very first thing that came up without even opening the site said No such thing

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by sportyworty

Didnot ever state there was no 67 500 Vert as there is and is a well known car so do not throw me in that basket. Now as far as the 68 Q code fallacy... easily proven with the rest of the vin if it is not in Marti's published book then just provide the vin to one of the cars and he will show you that they do not exist or are C code cars in actuality. I only asked for 1 small thread of proof so your statement of whatever I post will not help is an excuse. Drew is known to have made all kinds of interestingly equipped Mustangs before Kevin Marti. This is how the legends start and take years to unwind. With the database available it is just silly to make such claims. I googled 'Q code Mustang" the very first thing that came up without even opening the site said No such thing

Again my proof is in ashes in a landfill, however, ask yourself one question, why would I lie. I've been called many things in life, but never a liar.


Bill S.

[sportyworty]

Lets see first the convertible is in the hands of a collector in Georgia and second one Drew is restoring for a client in Europe and now your proof is in a landfill? was there 3 now? Bill no called you a liar but you are the most frequent Mustang facts poster here but not the most accurate. Try this story on a Mustang forum suppose you have seen the only 427 Mustang as well.

[sportyworty]

my apology was confused on the landfill comment. Only two BS car stories not 3. Marti has the info for the 67 500 Vert. he charges 80/hr and can research YOUR Q code cars.

[70GT350]

Originally Posted by sportyworty

Lets see first the convertible is in the hands of a collector in Georgia and second one Drew is restoring for a client in Europe and now your proof is in a landfill? was there 3 now? Bill no called you a liar but you are the most frequent Mustang facts poster here but not the most accurate. Try this story on a Mustang forum suppose you have seen the only 427 Mustang as well.

They actually made 2 427 Mustangs in 1968. I know a guy who has one of them and I have been told there were 2. No they were not W codes. They were R-codes that had 427 8V engines installed AT THE FACTORY. Documented and such. The one I know about I have yet to see in person but Chris Teeling told me it is real. The owner is local here in the Detroit area. His dad was an exec at Fords and the car was built on the line with the 427 installed and a numbers matching CJ dropped off at his house. This guy inherited the car from his dad. Has it all. Documentation and all. When I get a free weekend I will be going and see this car. My painter actually saw the car at a show he judged last summer and said the car was awesome. So there was at least one 427 factory installed Mustang in 1968. no bull about it being a R-code-thats just semantics because what was installed is what the car was, right? If not then there were never any 1964 427 Thunderbolts(289 K-codes, all of them). Gary

[Chris Teeling]

As far as I know there were never any production 1968 427 Mustangs built. I am aware of a 1968 428CJ Torino that was allegedly customized by Ford for a major Dealer. The modifications included swapping the original 428CJ for a 427 tunnel port.
Please get your story straight before attributing information to others.

[70GT350]

Well in the sake of fairness in the fact I don't have any old PMs from Chris to go back to then strike him from my above post. Somebody said to me who has a great deal of knowledge on 68.5s last summer the above info. Now I will see the above 68.5 car with the 427 in it in the near future and will critique any docs he has on this car. Where did the other car come from I mentioned? Well I didn't make this up and my history on other boards show that I am a straight shooter. Somebody told me there were 2 made this way. Chris asked me to try and get the owner of said 68.5 car to register it with the registry. Now if it wasn't Chris and I thought it was him I contacted(he is the resident68.5 guy on the CJ site ) then I don't know who told me they knew about this car and wanted it registered with the CJ registry. So with all fairness at this time strike Chris from the above and I will have to stay confused on who gave me this info then. I also want to apologize to Chris for using his name here and I used it because I believed my story was "straight" at the time. Sorry Chris. Gary