Continuation CSX a "Kit car"?

[lineslinger]

Originally Posted by Naumoff

I have been called worse. But I did think it was funny.
Are you driving out to the Cobra Revolution this Saturday?

Oh yeah, Putting her up on jack stands and acting like your driving down the road doesn't count for real driving.

Tony!!
Still LMAO

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

I am glad to hear that, because I really don't try to come off as an ass about it. I know what my car is, and that's important to ME. I like my car for what it is, and that's why I own it. I respect other people for the cars they own, and I do NOT feel that I am better than anyone, or that my car is better than anyone else's, just because it's a CSX. It's the car I wanted and I just would like people to show the same respect that I do towards them. I have owned both an FFR and a Kirkham, which is about as extreme to both ends of the replica market as you can get. I worked my way to the CSX because it's the car I really wanted. Along the way, I learned a lot from both companies and have a great respect for all brands and owners.

Sal,

Spoken like a true car enthusiast and not someone out to puff up his ego. I applaud your candor and your honesty.

Bill S.

[Excaliber]

Mine's an AC replica, but a rose, by any other name, would smell as sweet. Evan it really is simple your making it way to complex, just go with whats visceral, leave the 'real' world behind.

[CSX 4039]

Is this thread an original thread?

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by CSX 4039

Is this thread an original thread?

I believe the word to use to describe this thread would be a "continuation" thread

[Chaplin]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Naumoff: Only idiots rely on hearsay to base judgments on.

You're more then welcome to drop on by and look at the odo on the old girl yourself and draw your own conclusion.

Evan-
Has your odometer finally passed your current post count? I bet if we added in your post count from the old "Evan H." or "Evan Harris" user names in wouldn't even be close!

And Tony raises an intersting question- you want to drive down to Washington's Crossing Saturday? You can meet up with Wheaton, me and some of the other guys- you're only 1 town over from me, we can meet up easily.

[ENTDOC]

Evan , you would enjoy that thing more if you scratched it up a bit, come on , it isn't a Ming vase or anything, use it. Your kids will not appreciate it and will tear the crap out of it within 3 hours of your funeral.

[Sharroll Celby]

One thing for sure...if its not a Shelby its NOT a Cobra but a car that looks like a Cobra. End game. (Limited exceptions as to some ACs).[/quote]

Just to throw a monkey wrench into the works, (and correct me IF I am wrong), but doesnt Ford Motor Company OWN the rights to the name "Cobra"?And if Ford DOES own the name "Cobra", unless a vehicle is built BY FORD and called a "Cobra", then anything else CANNOT be called a "Cobra".

The apoplectic plot thickens.........

[Excaliber]

Actually I think Shelby and Ford slugged it out in court over the Cobra name. While Ford DOES own the name, I believe the settlement left Shelby with the right to use the name.

What Shelby CANNOT do is stop replica manufacturers from using the shape or body style of the Cobra. He lost that right in court when it passed to public domain. The essential shape/style of a Cobra body, and THATS WHAT IT IS, a COBRA body style is in public domain.

To NOT call it a "Cobra" is akin to labeling "The artist formerly known as Prince". You talk 'legalize' till the cows come home, fact is when someone see's your replica going down the street there thinking "Wow, a Cobra". Often accompanied by a large grin. When you say you have an AC Cobra or a Shelby Cobra people inherently know what your talking about. While Ford and Shelby control the 'trademark' name, they have both completely lost the concept of what is and isn't a Cobra in the real world. As for the shape, not just in concept, but legally as well. THATS the 'end game' and there aint nothing Shelby can do about it!

The replica companies OWE SHELBY NOTHING, what ever good will he might have had, what ever monies he might have agreed to has been squandered by the man himself. He alone is responsible for his fate, for his bitterness, for his tarnished legacy.

Now careful how you read this part:
SPF by agreeing to a license arrangement with Shelby lost a considerable amount of respect from me, simply put, SHAME on them. As a manufacturer, what they did was as unethical as what Shelby has/is doing. Both make a great car, the owners are great people, the corporations have lost their moral compass.

[terry251]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

I believe the word to use to describe this thread would be a "continuation" thread

Nope, it is a "reprised" thread. Sorta like Evan's reprised manufactured kit car.

[xlr8or]

Originally Posted by ENTDOC

Evan , you would enjoy that thing more if you scratched it up a bit, come on , it isn't a Ming vase or anything, use it. Your kids will not appreciate it and will tear the crap out of it within 3 hours of your funeral.

Oh my God! They let him reproduce? Quick, someone throw some bleach in that gene pool.

Saltytri: You are clearly lost and didn't follow what was being said and intended in the retorical argument between Ned and myself. Its also clear you don't own a Shelby. Your position is typical and unfortunately predictable for many non Shelby owners.

Salti all you have to do is buy a CSX4xxx and then you will understand.

[SL]

The late 90's brouchure I have on the CSX cars reads "component cars."

The best response I have heard so far, in the "is it real" question.... "why yes it is a real Factory Five Cobra, made right here in the USA." Which is a clever non response to the assumed question.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

The essential shape/style of a Cobra body, and THATS WHAT IT IS, a COBRA body style is in public domain.

Actually, if you really want to play semantics, you could call it a Modified AC ACE with an American V8 installed One of the reasons why SAI lost the trade dress issue was because it so closely resembled the AC ACE (which is what the original Cobra is based off of), that SAI could not state that it as it's own entity produced the original car/body shape (modified it yes, but did not invent it).


Bill S.

[Naumoff]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Actually I think Shelby and Ford slugged it out in court over the Cobra name. While Ford DOES own the name, I believe the settlement left Shelby with the right to use the name.

What Shelby CANNOT do is stop replica manufacturers from using the shape or body style of the Cobra. He lost that right in court when it passed to public domain. The essential shape/style of a Cobra body, and THATS WHAT IT IS, a COBRA body style is in public domain.

To NOT call it a "Cobra" is akin to labeling "The artist formerly known as Prince". You talk 'legalize' till the cows come home, fact is when someone see's your replica going down the street there thinking "Wow, a Cobra". Often accompanied by a large grin. When you say you have an AC Cobra or a Shelby Cobra people inherently know what your talking about. While Ford and Shelby control the 'trademark' name, they have both completely lost the concept of what is and isn't a Cobra in the real world. As for the shape, not just in concept, but legally as well. THATS the 'end game' and there aint nothing Shelby can do about it!

The replica companies OWE SHELBY NOTHING, what ever good will he might have had, what ever monies he might have agreed to has been squandered by the man himself. He alone is responsible for his fate, for his bitterness, for his tarnished legacy.

Now careful how you read this part:
SPF by agreeing to a license arrangement with Shelby lost a considerable amount of respect from me, simply put, SHAME on them. As a manufacturer, what they did was as unethical as what Shelby has/is doing. Both make a great car, the owners are great people, the corporations have lost their moral compass.

Ernie, This is not always true. Most of the time people don't know what it is.
Most of the people I tell that I have a Shelby Cobra replica they have a strange look on their face and say "you have a Mustang?"
I believe the Cobra name is joined more to the Mustang than our AC Ace replica's.

The Cobra name has been used on the Mustang since the 70s. Starting with the Mustang II and with the coiled snake emblem non the less.
That is a long time.
I really don't care about all this "definition of a word" or any legal mumbo jumbo. I only know I enjoy my car and I built my car for me and I built it to drive.

Read my odometer.

[Naumoff]

.........But I do feel that it is wrong to misrepresent a kit or modern replica as an original 60s Cobra.
This is wrong.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Naumoff

Ernie, This is not always true. Most of the time people don't know what it is.
Most of the people I tell that I have a Shelby Cobra replica they have a strange look on their face and say "you have a Mustang?"
I believe the Cobra name is joined more to the Mustang than our AC Ace replica's.

The Cobra name has been used on the Mustang since the 70s. Starting with the Mustang II and with the coiled snake emblem non the less.
That is a long time.

The Cobra name was also used on late '60's GT500 mustangs, and maybe GT350's. In addition, the fairlane based muscle car was called a cobra as well. Not to be confused with the cobra-jet engine. Then came the Mustang II "charlies angel" cobra, and so on.

[Joe Wicked]

Don't forget the Torino based 69 Ford Cobra (even though I did not even know this car existed until late last year).

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

Don't forget the Torino based 69 Ford Cobra (even though I did not even know this car existed until late last year).

Nothing compares to the power and beauty of the 1975 Cobra II.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by Anthony

The Cobra name was also used on late '60's GT500 mustangs, and maybe GT350's. In addition, the fairlane based muscle car was called a cobra as well. Not to be confused with the cobra-jet engine. Then came the Mustang II "charlies angel" cobra, and so on.

The Cobra SNAKE emblem was used on some of the 60s Shelby's logo, but the cars were never called Cobras. In 1968 1/2, there was a "Cobra-jet" Mustang, which was designated for the use of the new 428 CJ engine. The Boss 351 used the 351 CJ engine as well, but the car was not called a Cobra. No Mustang wore the Cobra name until 1976.

As for the big cars, the Torino was like the 68 Mustang, in that you could order a Cobra Jet motor when they came out. But the actual Torino COBRA came out in 1970, with the introduction of the 429CJ and 429SCJ motors.

I do not believe any other Fords wore the Cobra name back then (but I could be wrong).

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Nothing compares to the power and beauty of the 1975 Cobra II.

My favorite car of all time . I've owned several and still have a 78 Mach 1.