Continuation CSX a "Kit car"?

[Joe Wicked]

Originally Posted by David Kirkham

Joe,

That reminds me of 1965 GT Mustang that has been parked (never moved) at a house by our shop since at least 1987. I drive by it every day. One day it will be nothing more than a pile of Fe2O3.

Sad to watch it die a slow death.

David

If you donate a car to me, I will drive the hell out of it and make up for that Mustang.

I'm just saying.....

[RodKnock]

Boy, this thread has sure gone sideways.

[David Kirkham]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

If you donate a car to me, I will drive the hell out of it and make up for that Mustang.

I'm just saying.....

RodKnock,

Maybe it needed to!

David

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

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I'll be in Reading PA Friday and maybe Saturday for the WWII weekend. Lots of WWII aircraft coming and maybe an ME109 from Canada. I'm scheduled to take a flight in a B17 Friday.
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Hmm, since you'll be in the neighborhood on Friday, you could stop by and visit MrMustang. I won't be able to hang out, I've got to go to my son's preschool graduation.

I will try to make it to the revolution on Saturday. Depending on whether I go alone or not will dictate if I bring the RX-7 or the MPV. Unless someone needs a passenger for their Cobra.

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

Originally Posted by David Kirkham

According to way I have seen the law written in several states (and hopefully my understanding is correct), ALL of our wonderful rides are defined as "Kit Cars" or "Specially Constructed Vehicles" Kirkham, Shelby, FFR, ERA, Superformance, the tax man and the state consider them all the same.

Ultimately, it really doesn't matter what we banter about here on the site. The state where you register your Chariot of Fire is--by definition--going to tell you what it is.

David

Not only is this statement true, but the states also take your precious CSX VIN number (as well as ERA, FFR, SPF, CCX, etc.), and replace it with their own generic VIN number. Alas, all of our cars are kit cars, component cars, or composite cars, regardless what you may tell yourself.

[Joe Wicked]

Originally Posted by David Kirkham

Well, ya can't blame me for trying can ya? I am really trying to find a way to get into one of these cars quicker than having to save up the money.

[Chaplin]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Yay!! I'm cancelling my pre-dementia screening checkup. The reason I remember it so well was because at the time I was struck with how stupid it was to put fake side pipes on a car.

Patrick-
Sorry, this was the best I could do.

[CSX 4039]

Originally Posted by ZOERA-SC7XX

Not only is this statement true, but the states also take your precious CSX VIN number (as well as ERA, FFR, SPF, CCX, etc.), and replace it with their own generic VIN number. Alas, all of our cars are kit cars, component cars, or composite cars, regardless what you may tell yourself.

Yes, but, the government also classifies a '63 String Ray and a '63 Corvair in the same broad category. Since when have bureaucrats ever gotten the true essence and provenance of anything right? If it were not for their intrusion into the seat belt/emissions/ 5 mph bumper arena, a 2008 Shelby Cobra could be sold with a drive train.

Ford Thunderbird production also suffered an interuption, but came back to life with modern equipment. Had FoMoCo come back out with a reissued '57 T-Bird, they too would have to have sold it sans engine and tranny, to be finished elsewhere. That wouldn't have made it any less of an authentic (but not original) Ford T-Bird.

[Naumoff]

Originally Posted by CSX 4039

Yes, but, the government also classifies a '63 String Ray and a '63 Corvair in the same broad category. Since when have bureaucrats ever gotten the true essence and provenance of anything right? If it were not for their intrusion into the seat belt/emissions/ 5 mph bumper arena, a 2008 Shelby Cobra could be sold with a drive train.

Ford Thunderbird production also suffered an interuption, but came back to life with modern equipment. Had FoMoCo come back out with a reissued '57 T-Bird, they too would have to have sold it sans engine and tranny, to be finished elsewhere. That wouldn't have made it any less of an authentic (but not original) Ford T-Bird.

An authentic Ford Kit Car.

[RedCSX1]

Originally Posted by CSX 4039

Yes, but, the government also classifies a '63 String Ray and a '63 Corvair in the same broad category. Since when have bureaucrats ever gotten the true essence and provenance of anything right? If it were not for their intrusion into the seat belt/emissions/ 5 mph bumper arena, a 2008 Shelby Cobra could be sold with a drive train.

Ford Thunderbird production also suffered an interuption, but came back to life with modern equipment. Had FoMoCo come back out with a reissued '57 T-Bird, they too would have to have sold it sans engine and tranny, to be finished elsewhere. That wouldn't have made it any less of an authentic (but not original) Ford T-Bird.

CSX4039 I could not have said it better myself. It is the most accurate statement made in this entire thread.

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by CSX 4039

Yes, but, the government also classifies a '63 String Ray and a '63 Corvair in the same broad category.

Please enlighten us. You're saying an original '64 Cobra or an original '63 Corvette Grand Sport is treated the same as a component car produced in 2008?

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

Please enlighten us. You're saying an original '64 Cobra or an original '63 Corvette Grand Sport is treated the same as a component car produced in 2008?

I'm a little lost on the registration thing too. Regardless of how stupid the DMV is, a Continuation CSX is NOT sold as a full car, and in that respect cannot be compared to any full car no matter what it was or when it was made.

The titling process will AWALYS be a gray area of debate, because all the states handle it differently. Some states will use the car's issued VIN, title it as a 1965 cobra, and send you on your way. Other states will issue you their own VIN, put a big ugly yellow VIN sticker on the car, title it as a 2008, and make you put bumpers, DOT lights, and all the other crap on before they let you title the car.

[Chaplin]

Originally Posted by ZOERA-SC7XX

Not only is this statement true, but the states also take your precious CSX VIN number (as well as ERA, FFR, SPF, CCX, etc.), and replace it with their own generic VIN number. Alas, all of our cars are kit cars, component cars, or composite cars, regardless what you may tell yourself.

Actually, the VIN that NJ gave me is the same as that issued by ERA, only 6 characters. "ERA" and the 3 digit car number.

[RodKnock]

Yep, that one confused me too. My Corvette is classified as a car, which is a broad category, but it also states that the Maker is Chevrolet, Model is Corvette and Body Type is convertible. How does this relate back to SPCNS for a Cobra at least here in CA.

[CSX 4039]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

Please enlighten us. You're saying an original '64 Cobra or an original '63 Corvette Grand Sport is treated the same as a component car produced in 2008?

Here, you can get plates that say "Historic Vehicle". Same for both cars. That way, no smog requirement....

[CSX 4039]

I was saying a Corvair and 'Vette are way different cars, but, both are titled as "Historic Vehicles"- a big grouping that covers every car from the sublime to the ridiculous. Just as "Kit Car" can cover every thing from the sublime to the ridiculous. In other words, using a government grouping to try to describe a car isn't very revealing of what the car is. There are better, more accurate ways to define your ride.

[BigGuy]

You really need to check with your state... I still have my CSX# as my VIN here in Ohio, not a new VIN as someone has stated (that they are replaced with one from the state)

My car had to be inspected by a dealer (just like transferring an out of state title into an Ohio title).

My title is for a 1965 Shelby Continuation S/C Cobra per DMV. (No, it does not say real or original!)

No problem.....

As someone once said "Drive it like you stole it!"

.

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by CSX 4039

Here, you can get plates that say "Historic Vehicle". Same for both cars. That way, no smog requirement....

You are in Texas correct?

According to Texas DMV there are two different plates for older cars. Antique or Classic.

"Antique Plates
The Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) has two types of plates available specifically for older vehicles.

Antique plates are for vehicles at least 25 years old that are used strictly for antique exhibitions, parades, and related activities. (Occasional trips to the repair shop are permitted.)

Only one antique plate per vehicle is issued. To apply for the plate, complete the antique application form and bring it or mail it to your local county tax office. The plate cannot be personalized.

The plate is valid in five-year increments. For vehicles built before 1921, the yearly fee is $8, while it's $10 per year for vehicles manufactured after that. Local additional fees may apply. Find full information here.

Classic plates are also for vehicles that are at least 25 years old. However, vehicles with these plates may be used for routine transportation.

Complete the classic plate form to apply for the plates, and bring it or mail it to your local county tax office.

The plates carry an annual fee of $15, and may be personalized for an extra $40. However, local additional fees may apply."

Classic plates would apply for cars 25 years + old. This link takes you to the application form that is completed and signed attesting to the vehicle being 25 years old.

http://http://www.dot.state.tx.us/tx...vletConfig.xml

It's not nice to fool mother nature or the DMV.

[Joe Wicked]

A-Snake, you are correct the Classic plates are the ones he was referring to here in TX, they say "Historic Vehicle" on them. The bad thing is you can get them for anything that is 25 years or older A coworker saw a rusted out 80 chevy pickup with them on the other day. It is much cheaper to register them this way, than the normal registration fee, so people are figuring out that it is a way to save money on their POS.

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

A-Snake, you are correct the Classic plates are the ones he was referring to here in TX, they say "Historic Vehicle" on them. The bad thing is you can get them for anything that is 25 years or older A coworker saw a rusted out 80 chevy pickup with them on the other day. It is much cheaper to register them this way, than the normal registration fee, so people are figuring out that it is a way to save money on their POS.

So what component car manufacturer, still in business, has a car that is 25 or more years old? Kirkham, Shelby, ERA etc are 'new' special construction vehicles even if they simulate a car from the '60's.