buckshot racefab side pipes

[mr. oz]

Originally Posted by RonNichols

Mr. Oz,

They are finely crafted earmuffs made from the winter pelt of the Grey Beaver. I'm surprised my wife allowed me to use them without accompanying me, as they are usually clipped to her pant suit because grey beaver pelts are quite costly. The Grey Beaver is a boisterous, antagonizing creature known for its loud verbal exchanges and commanding personalities. It is one of those creatures where the female is the dominant alpha personality too, much like the black widow spiders. As you have seen, the grey pelt is very comfortable, very stylish, and has great noise cancelling capabilities. It fits my inner ear canal quite nicely for long periods......

BTW, I'm glad you asked, as they made your 3" bore interchangable stainless side pipes sound quite comfortable. They look good too.

R

Wow, thanks for the info. Sounds awfully expensive tho.

[sumyred1]

Can anybody read on this site? That is why I usually don't post because people are trying to advance their agenda and tell half truths to flame people when they don't agree with them. Where do I comment on either product? Can anybody tell me? I just commented on how to choose a shop? For those of you that are unable to follow the posts, it is post #18. Then people I see are trying to twist and spin things here so I choose to respond. I feel like I am watching fox news. I will stop commenting unless I am attacked. 2 last things, it is a kit car and I had an interesting talk with Buckshot today and found out many interesting facts. Thank you for your time. I wish you the best.

[Godzila]

GOOD GRIEF
You, Sir ,Sumyred1, should indeed start watching Fox news, but pay attention you might learn something valuable about life in general,,,like when to just let things go, you are the flamer here and are not really bringing anything to the discussion IMNSHO, do you have a dog in this fight? If so ramble on, but otherwise you are just pi$$ing most people off.........someone shut the door please the trolls are loose again, .......

Me I'm gonna go listen to Rush Limbaugh now, Have a nice day, and watch your blood pressure, it's not good to get so excited about something that's not all that important, plus I have to go dry rub my meat, there's gonna be a big BBQ tonight, and ,No, you are not invited..............

[MEATMASTER]

You speaketh with great wisdom oh wise man of the east. Much more so than summerseve red of the Lake Erie shores.

MEATMASTER

[emberglo66]

Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:


1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
One year ago

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon; now $4 plus
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for CHANGE in 2006, and we got it!

Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

[Godzila]

Where did you find reglular gas for $3.50 a gallon, you dang Texans ,holding out on us Yankees, heck we're paying $4.09 a gallon up here!,

Do you have an extra bedroom? will you adopt me?
(Can you get Rush Limbaugh on the radidio down there?)

[RonNichols]

Originally Posted by mr. oz

Wow, thanks for the info. Sounds awfully expensive tho.

You have no idea how much they cost me. Of course as you know, she has control of the grey beaver muffs, and much much more. She uses them as a point of argument also, i.e. if she doesn't get what she wants, she withholds the grey beaver ear muffs, as she knows that I can't stand the backpressure from my pipes very long. I need those muffs and I would sacrifice all that is manly to wear them. Especially with my 3.5" bore Howe racing mufflers, as they are very, very loud. When I'm not driving, they are held in her purse for safekeeping.

BTW Mr. Oz, she will probably be on ClubCobra tonight to respond for me. You will find out exactly why she is named "the Cold Grilled Cheese".

R

[MEATMASTER]

You can stay with me... big guy

MEATMASTERS

[greg schroeder]

I put the Buckshot Racefab side pipes on Superformance 2040 with Roush 427R-095(small block 427).

Video Buckshot Racefab Sidepipes at drags

Time slip of above video, easy start only 1.7 60ft

image of Dean Beatty built Buckshot Racefab side pipes

Dyno at wheels, corrected
Roush 427R-095, Buckshot Racefab Sidepipes, Pro-systems carb, Olthoff headers, 1/2 fuel line, mechanical fuel pump.

When I set out to get new side pipes the goal was more power and maybe some good looks too. The side pipes look pretty good. Along with the side pipes I changed headers, air filter, carb and fuel delivery. All together it added about 75 wheel HP and put the car into 130+ mph trap speed with easy start 10 second passes.

As to the account of obtaining the side pipes I knew when I started a Cobra is a custom application. I went with the two piece side pipe with 3 inch louvered core. I was willing to take some time to end up with my desires. I'm reasonably sure Dean Beatty did my pipes in the end after a few things were changed. The visible welds are very nice. Dean seems to be an old school drag racer with the desire to make things better. Good guy all around, and he understood what I wanted and made sure it ended up correct. It took some time, but I was satisfied in the end.

Oh, as to cleaning here's what I did for about 7,000 miles. Wipe them off with damp microfiber when pipes are cool. I also gave them a bath in CLR twice. It takes away some of the darker gold color the pipes take on. I never drove in rain, so they stayed pretty nice.

[emberglo66]

That was a year ago. $4.05 here today in Houston. Spent $105 this morning filling my F250 hog.

740AM for Rush

and no. no room left unless her stuff gets thrown out.

Got to go, driving my overpriced "kit" car to Meineke for new side mufflers.

[sumyred1]

godzilla,
I did let it go and you attacked me so...you remind me of the guys at the track that challenge a persons car and ask to have their motor torn down to see if it is legal. Let me rephrase myself and please refer to post 18. If you have any further questions refer to post 18 again. I do not get upset so that is not an issue and this just makes me wonder how people coexist in society? Once again have a nice day and I will be busy organizing all my shoes tonight so don't bother me.

[MEATMASTER]

Let if go NOW then...

Good grief, it's like discussing side pipes with a bunch of old grey women.


MEATMASTER

[lovehamr]

Originally Posted by MEATMASTER

summerseve red

BaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I know; I'm juvenial. But that's some funny ****e right there.

Steve

[gary osborne]

Sumyred1

Now before you get all cranked up about being “attacked” sumyred1, here is what got ME started. YOU wrote “Gary, you must be a friend too. You said you never heard of Dean yesterday, then today you know all about him. Wow, that's odd.” You also “attacked me when you said “So you too add no value to this conversation also.”

Let’s see. I have been on CC since ‘99 or 2000. You have been here for what….7 posts? I have had the same SPF car for 9 years and put around 50,000 miles on it. You on the other hand have had your car for how long and driven how many miles? Oh yeah…..I remember….ZERO…Nadda….Zip. I have a set of the pipes in question and know one of the principals very well and your experience with the parties and product is….ah…..well…..again… NOTHING. And YOU have the stones to question what I might have of value to add? You are a complete laugh.

As for knowing or not knowing Dean, YOU have that all screwed up too. You said "you never heard of Dean yesterday, then today you know all about him.” Nothing I said was contradictory. I said originally that I had nothing good or bad to say about Dean because I had never heard of him (by name) before. My comment had to do with not knowing “Him” “Dean” as a person and or businessman or as a partner. I did NOT say that I was unaware that someone was doing the fabricating of the pipes other than Ron. I had no expectation of Ron huddled over some pipes doing the welding. I hire people all the time to do things I do not have the time or inclination to do. That does not make one better than the other. It just means “we” (me and them) bring something different to the table. I had no idea if Dean was a partner or hired help NOR did I care. I knew that Ron had someone (now known as Dean) doing the fabricating. My story has not changed.

YOU say [color="blue"]“As far as farming out product, your (should be you are or you’re) implying that everybody does it so it's ok. Maybe, but when you only have one product it's different.”….. [/COLOR]The real reason people outsource is because it is cheaper plain and simple.” I don't see what product line has to do with anything. I would venture to say that small businesses often job out more things than large businesses simply because they are small and do not have the infrastructure to handle everything in house. Does that mean it is cheaper? Maybe. It might also mean it is better or more convenient or necessary due to efficiency or access to materials or has geographic advantages or any number of other reasons. It has been my experience in business that sometimes it is MORE expensive to outsource but it just makes more sense. I never said “everybody did anything”. However, I outsource a LOT of things in my business. One of the big issues in this election is that “jobs” are going out of the country. To pretend that outsourcing is anything less than commonplace just demonstrates a total lack of understanding of how business runs in America.

Then you say “There is a group of people trying to discredit Buckshot on here” I have NOTHING against Buckshot nor have I said anything to discredit them nor have I seen anyone else unless someone like you tried to twist the words around (well…OK….maybe PJ but not even him until the attacks started). I even chose not to argue the point when Barnwindow said that I had Buckshot pipes. Perhaps one could argue (and I am not… but I’ll give an example) that saying “we have all of these patents pending and we are the original yadda yadda” may be claiming credit but that is not Ron or Craig or me talking. BTW, I do NOT believe that was meant to discredit Ron or steal credit either. Just something I could twist if I chose to stir the pot with innuendos like you. All I did when I originally posted was differentiate between my pipes and what is available now from Buckshot by referencing that my pipes were the first generation pipes. I do not know if Dean has done something different with the pipes since I bought mine from Ron and the partnership broke up. It was not intended to start a *****slapping contest or push business in another direction. It was simply a matter of answering a good question accurately by fully disclosing that what I bought a couple of years ago may or may not be what someone would get from Buckshot today. Had I NOT disclosed that, then someone somewhere would say that I was trying to pass mine off as something they are not….they SURELY would have done so had I said something negative about the pipes.

You are right. I AM a friend of Ron’s….well kinda. I have known Ron for a long time but we live in different parts of the country like so many of us here on CC and so I have not spent a lot of time with Ron. However, I have been through a number of long distance experiences with him. Some Cobra related. Some not... but enough to say I know him and the caliber of person he is. That said, I do not remember saying one word to “defend” him. So in answer to your question “Why do you need to defend someone?”…I don’t. Ron’s reputation is flawless and speaks for itself. Why do YOU need to defend Buckshot when you say you do not know them nor have you done business with them nor has anyone attacked them? Hmmmmmmm

You also say, “People come on these forums for help and then people chime in with stuff that is not factual per se in defending someone.”. Again, I did not say anything to defend or accuse anyone. But where is this “not factual per se” come from. I certainly was factual. I know Craig was 100% factual. I think the only one throwing uneducated comments around is the novice in the group….and that would be who again? Oh yeah….YOU.

Then you say “I can get 10 of my friends post on here to and say how great I am but what's the sense. Does it prove anything? It proves something is not right and there must be more to this story then what is being told.” When you ask if that proves anything, the answer is NO. Nor does it prove that “something is not right”. You may be right that there is more to this story than either Ron or Buckshot or anyone else is saying but maybe the fact that they are all taking the high road and not cutting each other down says something about us while your pot stirring says something about you. Maybe the “more” that you are referencing is just no one's business.

You ask with the normal sumyred1 insinuation “how did you get a set of headers made for your car when Ron said he only specializes in parts for his car? His motor is a FE motor while yours is a 427 RDI motor. Wow, that's odd too.” Responding to a question about the Hurricane, Ron said that he specializes in the SPF. That is not odd. Ron is a Cobra hobbyist just like the rest of us. He happens to have some engineering skills that he used to make his car better and then made his design available to his SPF friends. Perhaps he will one day venture out of that specialization but until he does there is no reason to question his integrity. Engine choice is not the issue. There is more to designing pipes than matching headers. There is a whole alignment / body clearance issue and his pipes are specific to SPF. Why would you challenge that remark other than out of ignorance?

And then you throw in “As for the price, they can be marked up about 1/3 to 50%. That is a general rule in business.” This reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live “Point – Counterpoint” satire on the 60 Minutes segment by the same name. Dan Ackroyd would proclaim to Jane Curtain after her argument on some subject “Jane, you ignorant slut”. I have to wonder what planet you are on. That mark up comment could be the most ridiculous comment you made so far. Some companies operate on margins of 4 or 5 percent. I know of companies that mark things up 500% in order to make a decent profit. Mark-ups and margins are painfully different from each other and from industry to industry and there is no “rule”. Ask for an aspirin at the hospital and see what it costs you….probably several dollars more for a dose than a large bottle at the Walmart.

I could go on but my fingers are getting tired. So I will end with, you say “Thats what I don't understand either....” Well, you finally hit one on the head……you don’t understand ANYTHING when it comes to these cars or hobby or pipes or businesses or people or…..oh…..I give up. I am sure you have more mindless BS to share so let’s have it. Drivel on about all the stuff you know nothing about. You are not worth the energy to debate. One cannot reason with an unreasonable person and your methods and motivation are surely suspicious. You are either a Buckshot Buddy and lying about your identity or a pot stirrer and having a blast at other honest people’s expense or just plain stupid. No matter which, you are to be pitied but not taken seriously.

I won’t hide behind an alias either. I use my real name each and every post. It is easy to grab a beer, slide in behind the keyboard and post idiotic babble when one is hiding behind an alias….or lying about their identity. If someone likes or dislikes me for my opinions, so be it. I at least say what I mean and mean what I say. I could easily create a new moniker every four or five posts and spew stupidity all over cyberspace… but for nine years on CC I have been Gary Osborne. So at least I spew my own stupidity openly and honestly. Since you don’t own a car and have no intention on buying one and have no dog in ANY hunt on ANY subject that would pop up on THIS forum, maybe you will go away soon…..I certainly hope so.

Gary

[Lowell W]

The Grey Beaver is a boisterous, antagonizing creature known for its loud verbal exchanges and commanding personalities.

Not to mention its affinity for diamonds, the pelts of other, lesser mammals and males of the species with fine reproduction automobiles.

With my email nonfunctional at the moment, I'm having a real laff watching some folks here scoff at the superior automobiles of other CC members with MUCH more knowledge and experience. Phildo, is that you?

Carry on and pass the popcorn!

Lowell

[John McMahon]

Choose yer sides and grab yer muskets!!!!!!!!!

[sumyred1]

Gary,
You can dispute what you want, spin what you want, and this is boring me. I repsonded to everyone claims in one most not just you. So it is what is. We can agree to disagree. Good luck in the future. By the way, I know cars, I work on cars, and have worked on these cars. But who cares. Last post because their are too many people in denial. Enjoy your kit car and drive it everywhere.

[StreetSnake]

The point is Dean and Ron where in business together when he first got his SPF. Ron asked Dean if he thought it could be improved and the sidepipes where really the only thing that was holding it back. Thus, Dean built the first set of these pipes for Ron and his buddies. This is where the argument begins. Did Ron take a set of pipes and have them replicated and begin selling behind Dean's back. That is for lawyers to find out not us. Firefly, to my knowledge, was not in existence until Dean became aware of what was going on (Ron's website: buckshotracefab.com vs. Dean's buckshotracefab.net), then firefly came into existence. Its seems pretty shady to me.

As for the battling going on outside this please let it go. I really enjoy being a cobra enthusiast but when you talk like you are special or something it bothers me. If we aren't careful we'll turn into a bunch of vette owners

[emberglo66]

UFO for President!!!!

[RedBarchetta]

Originally Posted by StreetSnake

That is for lawyers to find out not us.

Wow, I didn't know that someone actually filed for and received a provisional patent for a basic exhaust system?

Don't blink, but if there is enough demand for these things the Chinese will figure out a way to mass produce and both of these shops will be out of business.

Two fabricators making the same part...what a concept! It's called competition and capitalism. Competition is actually good for everyone...creates better offerings and more competitive pricing. This is a concept that the Democrats continue to not grasp. Oops...didn't mean to get poliitcal.

-Dean (and not to be confused with the one that has the welding skills)