Shelby interview in Road & Track

[powerslide]

Gee...Juggernaut, I hope we have cleared things up for you!

[Juggernaut]

Originally Posted by powerslide

Gee...Juggernaut, I hope we have cleared things up for you!

I now see that a LOT of people on the forum have the same opinion of CS as I do.

I'd rather have Jay Leno sign my Cobra than that old guy!

[kurtmart]

SPF2245

Ferrari sued everybody who made reps. Fieroes, Corvette based Daytonas etc. "Miami Vice" used a Mcburnie Daytona Replica as Sonny's groovy ride on the show, this pissed off Ferrari.
They put McBurnie out of business and gave the show a batch off real Testarossa's for the show. Anyone copying these designs is living on borrowed time.
Now, someone needs to explain how the porsche speedster guys get away with it.

[bret a ewing]

Originally Posted by Jamo

You're absolutely right, Joewille...well said.

I think all of these replica-owning leeches are a bunch of ungrateful basturds, especially Al.

Hehehe, you crack me up.

[bret a ewing]

CS seems to be getting more grumpy by the day, Proziac in his Ensure would benifit everyone.

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by bret a ewing

CS seems to be getting more grumpy by the day, Proziac in his Ensure would benifit everyone.

So would a little prune juice!

[lovehamr]

Originally Posted by Jac Mac

Correct, but if 'they' had Chevys in them I would not be as interested in the car!

I gotta go with that one!

Steve

[Dan Stryffeler]

We should pitch this to the TV networks... A new reality show.

Put CS, the SAAC guys, a few reporters, a lawyer and some of the more passionate members of this site on a desert island for a month and watch'em plot to destroy each other, re-hash history, file suits and trash talk.

If people watch Trump, or Dancing with the Stars - they'll watch this

[Joe Wicked]

LOL, hit series right there. What about follow up seasons?

[BDHE]

Hey Joewillie;

First, let me say that I respect everyone's right to an honest opinion. Having said that....

I couldn't help but notice a peculiar thing.

You have exactly four posts listed to your name, and all four take a rather definite stand on one side of the issue. Seems odd given that "Joewillie" didn't exist on CC until February of this year.

Forgive for asking, but just what kind of cobra do you own?


Bryon

[gt500bill]

Originally Posted by BDHE

Hey Joewillie;

You have exactly four posts listed to your name, and all four take a rather definite stand on one side of the issue. Seems odd given that "Joewillie" didn't exist on CC until February of this year.

Bryon

Maybe Amy B. In disguise...........

[Johnson]

Originally Posted by Joewillie

Do you put Shelby down because you build replicas and call them Cobras? What do you think of putting a Rolex name plate on a watch that is not a Rolex? Is that okay in your book? Could you justify your actions based on a theory that Rolex outsourced parts from other manufacturers and you can do the same thing? Can you justify these actions on the basis that Rolex doesn't really build a watch, anyway? Why don't you buid your own car and call it something besides a Cobra? Why do you capitalize on the iconic name of Cobra, the cars built by Carroll Shelby? Or, try this. Build a kit car and slap a Ferrari badge on the nose. Do you think Ferrari will stand idly by? Would Enzo, when he was alive, have autographed the glove box door for you? Do you share the same opinion as the thieves who buy a copy of a movie DVD or an artist's CD when no royalties are paid? Is this okay with you, too? People say, I can't afford a Cobra, so I have to buy a replica. Okay, well go out and buy a replica Rolex off the streets of New York. I have a friend that has a replica of a gold Rolex Daytona and the gold is 18 karat. The movement is even Rolex. He got it from a friend at the factory. But, you know what? It wasn't built by Rolex. It's a fake. It keeps great time. It was built by skilled artisans, so it looks great, too. But, it will never be a Rolex. The same goes for Cobras. Your kits will never be a Cobra. They are fakes. But, icredibly, Al Adkins claims the fakes havehelped along the real Cobras through flattery. He evens says Shelby hates replicas but builds them. So, let me ask youi Al, does this justify coying what Shelby has done including his name badge? Those street vendors in New York must be flattering Rolex, then. Of course, they are illegal. There are all manner of knock-off's of real merchandise.

Originally Posted by kurtmart

SPF2245

Ferrari sued everybody who made reps. Fieroes, Corvette based Daytonas etc. "Miami Vice" used a Mcburnie Daytona Replica as Sonny's groovy ride on the show, this pissed off Ferrari.
They put McBurnie out of business and gave the show a batch off real Testarossa's for the show. Anyone copying these designs is living on borrowed time.
Now, someone needs to explain how the porsche speedster guys get away with it.

Although I am not a lawyer, I do have somewhat to say concerning the Joewillie and Kurtmart posts, I understood that if a T.M is not used for a period of three years, it is considered abandoned. In the case of Rolex fakes, Rolex has not ceased production, and has patents covering the internal workings; therefore anyone reproducing a Rolex is in violation of TM and patent laws. In order to prove non abandonment a TM holder must prove intent to resume the TM use. In the case of Ferrari v. McBurnie Coachcraft, McBurnies demise in court came from two main sources, first he marketed his kit as a California Daytona Spyder (Similar to marketing a replica Cobra as a "Shelby Cobra"), and second although Ferrari had no intention of resuming production on the Daytona Spyder they did however show goodwill associated with the vehicle and “evidence of ongoing parts support for the vehicle”. CS far exceeded the three year time span, not offering any support for “The Vehicle” (Cobra) and its trade dress; therefore I see no resemblance between a replica Cobra and a replica Rolex.

[STG]

Originally Posted by kurtmart

SPF2245


They put McBurnie out of business and gave the show a batch off real Testarossa's for the show. Anyone copying these designs is living on borrowed time.

Now, someone needs to explain how the porsche speedster guys get away with it.

I believe Tim McBurnie is alive and well and dba as Thunder Ranch building ..... wait for it .... Porsche Spyder replicas.

Porsche has never had a problem with replicas and I seem to recall at least one major show where a replica builder was invited to put one of his cars on Porsche's stand.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by BDHE

Hey Joewillie;

First, let me say that I respect everone's right to an honest opinion. Having said that....

I couldn't help but notice a peculiar thing.

You have exactly four posts listed to your name, and all four take a rather definite stand on one side of the issue. Seems odd given that "Joewillie" didn't exist on CC until February of this year.

Forgive for asking, but just what kind of cobra do you own?


Bryon

Badges? Badges? We don't need no stinking badges.

[JWilly]

Just to be sure...I have no problem with Joewillie, he has a right to his opinion, but in case there is any confusion, he ain't me and I ain't him. I'm sure Joewillie is happy to know that.

JWilly

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by JWilly

Just to be sure...I have no problem with Joewillie, he has a right to his opinion, but in case there is any confusion, he ain't me and I ain't him. I'm sure Joewillie is happy to know that.

JWilly

...so you say.

[CBattaglia]

I am new to this CS information. It is disappointing. I sure as hell hope that my donation to the childrens fund goes to children!! In my opinion, putting all of the reasons to not like him or how he does business (SAAC, etc) aside......It seems he has the right to be a part of any replica of his creation financially or otherwise. If not they should not be able to use the name.

Make coke but call it cola. If you call it coke, you bet your ass coke will be knockin'.

Maybe I am over simplifying??? I am a SPF owner and I think that arrangement is a good example.

I have held shelby in such high regard for so many years. It is tough to now hear all of his horrible business practices since I have become a member of this site and a replica car owner.

[Igofastr]

Joewillie,

Your pattern of posting does seem a little "slanted." Hmmm.

[Excaliber]

CBattaglia, it was tough for many if not most of us to accept the facts concerning Mr. Shelby as they came to light. Nobody wants to see their hero get tarnished. So now, with time, I'm trying to find that balance between admiring the history and yet being realistic about the truth.

[RedCSX1]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

Actually Edsel Ford's name does not appear on the Advisory board until the October/November 1977 issue of The Marque, about 1 1/2 years after SAAC was formed.
The rest of the names at that time on the advisory board included:
CS, Bondurant, Don Roberts, Allen Grant, Dick Smith, Al Dowd, Hal Keck, Ed Leslie, Dan Gurney, Pete Brock, Chuck Cantwell, Lew Spencer, Phil Remington, Tom Payne. Payne was also added at the same time as Edsel Ford.

As time went on most of these people mentioned seam to fall off the band wagon however I did see a few of them at the SAAC National conventions here and there. The Marque was a good publication its too bad that it went away. One of my gripes about SAAC was that the benefit of the publication they had offered was no longer available and the newsletter "snake bite" was a joke.