National Speed Limit

[lineslinger]

Originally Posted by McD00

Several years ago I was driving in the left lane about 10mph over the speed limit when some idiot came up behind me flashing his lights. He couldn't wait 2 seconds for me to move over so he passed on the right swerved in front of me and jumped on the brakes I damn near hit him....that pissed me off So I did the same damn thing to him except I realy slammed on the brakes....he hit me in the assend...lost control and spun into the median. I watched in the rear view intil he got out of his car. Stupid SOB....I taught him a lesson. He made me spill my coffee.

McVette

He wasn't the only one showing their stupidity.
Way to go ace, maybe next time you can cause a rollover, would that make you feel better?

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Those other 14 people were AH's as well, 100% of the time they are on the road. If there was an accident, it would also be their fault as well, maybe more so. It's good that you keep distance, as I do. When I come up on a slower car, and he doesn't move, I pass him safely on the right. There's no need for me to "enforce" anything to the slower driver, as many people on here feel compelled to do.

When the police start enforcing courtesy driving issues, then maybe it'll all be straightened out. But, I can tell you, when the traffic is medium to medium heavy, I will be in the left lane. My plan in life is to live and enjoy it, and not be involved in an accident by some AH cutting in front of me, trying to cross multiple lanes to get off of an exit, or crossing many lanes, dodging traffic to try to get 5 car lengths ahead, which is very often on a highway with multiple/many exits.

It's also appears to me that you still are very annoyed when slower people don;t get out of your way, although you say you don't drive aggressively.

If I'm in the left lane, and you come up on me, I give you permission to pass me on the right as well.

Stay Cool.

It is OK to get annoyed with people who don't get out of your way. I don't consider myself to be an aggressive driver, if I don't tail gate them. I'll pass them on the right if they don't move over. I don't consider myself to be an aggressive driver when I just continue on my way instead of trying to slow down in front of the slower driver when I pass him/her. However, the slower driver should be courteous and get out of the way. If I see someone coming up faster behind me and find traffic to the right, I'll sometimes speed up to find a gap in the slower lane to get out of the way.

A couple of years ago, I found myself behind a passing lane hog who was doing around 50 in a 55 and who was also pacing the driver in the slow lane. I was not tail gating, and finally saw a gap, passed on the right and shot up to about 70 or 75 rather quickly in my "arrest me red" RX-7. I checked my rear view mirror to see the passing lane hog was disappearing behind me, when I noticed there was a state trooper directly behind him (so the trooper was behind me before I took off). Shortly after that, the passing lane hog moved to the right, so the trooper could pass him. The state trooper eventually passed me. I wonder if the trooper had to flash his lights or beep at the moron to get him to move to the right? Maybe the lane hog thought he was making way for the trooper to chase me. But he was wrong.

All I'm trying to say is, if you see nobody in front of you and a whole line of cars behind you, why not try moving to the right. Or if there is a constant stream of cars passing you on the right, consider moving to a slower lane. Instead of taking pride in annoying others, why not try taking pride in yourself for not annoying others?

[HI Cobra]

"All I'm trying to say is, if you see nobody in front of you and a whole line of cars behind you, why not try moving to the right. Or if there is a constant stream of cars passing you on the right, consider moving to a slower lane. Instead of taking pride in annoying others, why not try taking pride in yourself for not annoying others?"

Bingo. Thanks 1ntCobra - That is what is called consideration to others - and awareness.
If a few more people on the road observed this, what a nicer drive it would
be.

This thread sure has gone on but has been an interesting read - and does
illustrate why driving isn't what it could be.

[Juggernaut]

Hasn't this thread about run it's useful life yet?

Think it's time to let it fade away into the sunset, but thats just me.

[Cobrabill]

[quote=Anthony;
When the police start enforcing courtesy driving issues, then maybe it'll all be straightened out. [/QUOTE]

"Courtesy(s)"are NOT in the DMV code,so just what the hell are the cops going to enforce?

You are BREAKING the law by traveling in the left lane but you're are going to wait untill the cops enforce imaginary laws before you comply with CODIFIED law?

How does it feel to never have to worry about being "legally" executed?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

:You are BREAKING the law by traveling in the left lane (

Actually, I'm not Billy, at least in my state. I would guess the laws are similar in your state as well, just that you don;t know them.



(A) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle or trackless trolley shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:

(1) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or when making a left turn under the rules governing such movements;

(2) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided, any person so doing shall yield the right of way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;

(3) When driving upon a roadway divided into three or more marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon;

(4) When driving upon a roadway designated and posted with signs for one-way traffic;

(5) When otherwise directed by a police officer or traffic control device.

(B)(1) Upon all roadways any vehicle or trackless trolley proceeding at less than the prevailing and lawful speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, and far enough to the right to allow passing by faster vehicles if such passing is safe and reasonable, except under any of the following circumstances:

(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle or trackless trolley proceeding in the same direction ;

(b) When preparing for a left turn;

(c) When the driver must necessarily drive in a lane other than the right-hand lane to continue on the driver’s intended route.

(2) Nothing in division (B)(1) of this section requires a driver of a slower vehicle to compromise the driver’s safety to allow overtaking by a faster vehicle.

(C) Upon any roadway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle or trackless trolley shall be driven to the left of the center line of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use the lanes, or except as permitted under division (A)(2) of this section.

This division shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the center line in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road, or driveway.

(D) Except as otherwise provided in this division, whoever violates this section is guilty of a minor misdemeanor. If, within one year of the offense, the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to one predicate motor vehicle or traffic offense, whoever violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If, within one year of the offense, the offender previously has been convicted of two or more predicate motor vehicle or traffic offenses, whoever violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the third degree.

Effective Date: 01-01-2004; 09-21-2006



(A) The driver of a vehicle or trackless trolley may overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle or trackless trolley only under the following conditions:

(1) When the vehicle or trackless trolley overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;

(2) Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Actually, I'm not Billy, at least in my state. I would guess the laws are similar in your state as well, just that you don;t know them.



(A) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle or trackless trolley shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:

(1) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or when making a left turn under the rules governing such movements;

(2) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided, any person so doing shall yield the right of way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;

(3) When driving upon a roadway divided into three or more marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon;

(4) When driving upon a roadway designated and posted with signs for one-way traffic;

(5) When otherwise directed by a police officer or traffic control device.

(B)(1) Upon all roadways any vehicle or trackless trolley proceeding at less than the prevailing and lawful speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, and far enough to the right to allow passing by faster vehicles if such passing is safe and reasonable, except under any of the following circumstances:

(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle or trackless trolley proceeding in the same direction ;

(b) When preparing for a left turn;

(c) When the driver must necessarily drive in a lane other than the right-hand lane to continue on the driver’s intended route.

(2) Nothing in division (B)(1) of this section requires a driver of a slower vehicle to compromise the driver’s safety to allow overtaking by a faster vehicle.

(C) Upon any roadway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle or trackless trolley shall be driven to the left of the center line of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use the lanes, or except as permitted under division (A)(2) of this section.

This division shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the center line in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road, or driveway.

If, within one year of the offense, the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to one predicate motor vehicle or traffic offense, whoever violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If, within one year of the offense, the offender previously has been convicted of two or more predicate motor vehicle or traffic offenses, whoever violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor of the third degree.

Effective Date: 01-01-2004; 09-21-2006



(A) The driver of a vehicle or trackless trolley may overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle or trackless trolley only under the following conditions:

(1) When the vehicle or trackless trolley overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;

(2) Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle.

Don't know them?The 2008 book is sitting on my desk you arrogant prick.

Look at your own rules:
(A) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle or trackless trolley shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:

This means right lane is for travel except for listed circumstances.Show me the variance that states:"unless you are an a$$hole and wanting to subjectively enforce your own made up rules."

__________________________________________________ _____________
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle or trackless trolley proceeding in the same direction ;

This means you drive in the right lane UNLESS you are overtaking e.t.c.
__________________________________________________ ___________
(D) Except as otherwise provided in this division, whoever violates this section is guilty of a minor misdemeanor.

This means YOU are guilty of a misdemeanor-genius.

ALL states have the "slower traffic stays right/pass on left laws".


Post another non-sequitur.I'll be waiting.

BTW-what's it like pounding a beat in -18 degree weather?

[tcrist]

Originally Posted by JBCOBRA

Hey tchrist
If you were the @ss that almost got me killed, I pity you for being the way you are.
Are you in denial?
I certainly don't mean to be personal. That is not my nature. But, if You chose to put me in a situation that may cost me my life...............then it is truely is personal.

First, There is no "H" in TCRIST.

Second, Unless you moved to the central valley of Calif. and did not update your profile then it would be kind of hard for me to almost get you killed.

Third, Pitty me for being the way I am? Read my first post on this. It stated that only sometimes I will stay in the fast lane. Normally I drive in the slow lane.

If you almost got killed by someone while driving, that sucks. I am glad that you did not get hurt.


Actually (being serious here), I know that staying in the fast lane and not pulling over for someone that is driving faster is against the law. I have always known that. The point that I was trying to get accross is that if you are driving the "max speed limit" in the fast lane, you should not have to pull over for someone that is speeding. After all if they were not breaking the law then me driving the speed limit in the fast lane would not mean anything to them.
According to the "many" police officers that I know "my Lady works for the sherrifs department", the #1 cause for traffic accidents is "" SPEEDING "". They said that they would only say anything to someone driving the speed limit in the fast lane if there were more that "3" cars behind them and then they would only tell them to move over. They would not write them a ticket.

Has any of the people responding here ever drove in a populated area in Calif? The normal is to use every lane that is available. There are way too many cars on the road to just leave the fast lane open for people to pass you. Besides, the speeders would be the ones that would stay in the fast lane and never get out of it because "they would always be passing someone". I.E. it is standard to stay in the fast lane here in Calif. Thes people also have no respect for the law or they would not be speeding in the first place. I know, I know, I have no respect for the law for staying in the fast lane either. I know someone will reply that way so lets get it out of the way now.

Also remember my statment about the comments about "using the chrome horn", "using the pit manuver", "running someone off of the road on purpose". The things that I and "people like me" were somewhat threatend with. as I said before, what has been said about that is " assult with a deadly weapon". People that stay in the fast lane could get a ticket for a minimal amount, only if the police decided to write one.
I have seen the same cars, day after day, speeding and tailgating during my commmute to work. There is a friend of mine that drives like that and it is because he never leaves on time. He has to drive that fast to try to either make it to work or to an appointment on time. Instead of driving that fast, why not leave 5 to 10 min earlier and drive slower.

Read my first post on this,

Originally Posted by tcrist

I agree to the slower traffic staying to the right. But If I am doing the speed limit in the fast lane, why should I have to pull over and let someone speeding pass me. They are driving illegally.
Note: I almost always move to the right. The only time that I do not is when someone runs up my a$$ and tailgates. Then they can kiss my a$$. If I choose to run under the speed limit (which is a lot of the time), I always stay in the slow lane.

Terry

How many of you responed because you thought that I intionally jump to the fast lane and slow down to 10 MPH under the speed limit just to block traffic.

It does not say that. I agree that I am wrong for holding up traffic in the fast lane but (as I said previously), If I am driving the speed limit and if the guys or gals behind me were not speeding then then it would not matter.

No, two wrongs do not make a right. I will agree with that.

Now, I have waited to post again on this figuring that it would just go back to what the post was about in the first place but it looks like you guys will not let it go so I felt the need to respond.

Say what you want and maybe Jamo or Ron will just close this thread. Remember, It was not me that has threatened others.

This will be my last post on this thread so have fun and enjoy life because life is too short to argue all of the time. Believe me on this. I know what I am talking about.

Have a nice life.
Terry

[Anthony]

I don't know billy, from what know about my laws, and what I just read about yours, it seems it is legal to drive in the left lane, under certain exceptions, which do apply, such as 6 lane highway. And, its legal to pass on the right as well, even on a 4 lane highway.

Now, when 10 is finished, will it be 6 lanes, if so, then I guess I can drive in the left lane. I'll be out in Phoenix, and south of there in 6 or so weeks, for a couple of weeks, which I make perodic visits for some consulting work.

I'll be driving a white SUV. If you come up behind me, flash your lights to say hello. As I said before, I give you permission to pass me on the right.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Anthony

I don't know billy, from what know about my laws, and what I just read about yours, it seems it is legal to drive in the left lane, under certain exceptions, which do apply, such as 6 lane highway. And, its legal to pass on the right as well, even on a 4 lane highway.

Now, when 10 is finished, will it be 6 lanes, if so, then I guess I can drive in the left lane. I'll be out in Phoenix, and south of there in 6 or so weeks, for a couple of weeks, which I make perodic visits for some consulting work.

I'll be driving a white SUV. If you come up behind me, flash your lights to say hello. As I said before, I give you permission to pass me on the right.

Son-of-a-b!tch you really are thick...A four lane hiway refers to a hiway with TWO lanes in each direction.

Unless you are engaged in one of these "exceptions"the law says DRIVE IN THE RIGHT LANE!!!
I'm sure you'll be easy to spot as you will be driving the only white SUV in Southern Az.DESERT.

Tcrist-the law says you must do it and it is the "right thing" to do.So just shut up and move over.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by tcrist

1)Say what you want and maybe Jamo or Ron will just close this thread. Remember, It was not me that has threatened others.

2)This will be my last post on this thread so have fun and enjoy life because life is too short to argue all of the time. Believe me on this.3) I know what I am talking about.

Have a nice life.
Terry

1)oooh,oooh,Mr Kotter,Mr Kotter!!-Barbarino threatened me
2)Especially when you're wrong
3)Not by a long shot.

[tcrist]

Cobrabill,
Ok, you had to reply with your meaningless jabber so I have to respond.

I have been trying to take the high road (so to speak) and you still insist on insulting. I can take it. I have broad shoulders and you are a (insert comment here).

Also for your information, my main driving consists of a 2 lane road in each direction so under certain circumstances I am legal. So now who is driving wrong.

By the way, there is no line 3. That all goes together. Re-read it and then read between the lines. Maybe then you will get it. I have no time for the likes of you.


Terry

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by tcrist

Cobrabill,
1)Ok, you had to reply with your meaningless jabber so I have to respond.

2)I have been trying to take the high road (so to speak) and you still insist on insulting. I can take it. I have broad shoulders and you are a (insert comment here).

3)Also for your information, my main driving consists of a 2 lane road in each direction so under certain circumstances I am legal. So now who is driving wrong.

4)By the way, there is no line 3. That all goes together. Re-read it and then read between the lines. Maybe then you will get it.5) I have no time for the likes of you.


Terry

1)Meaningless jabber?That's the word you use when you're wrong and trying to project back on to the person who is right.

2)Someone who sits in the left lane and force his viewpoint on the rest of the motoring public is going to take the "high road"?SOB that's funny.That's so ironic.Or is it moronic?A nod is as good as a winkYou have broad shoulders and i am right .

3)You are still driving wrong.

4)I made it line #3.Therefore it exists.

5)Of course not.Being shown how wrong you are does get old.But there is an easy fix for that.But since you can't figure out that it is illegal to "travel" in the left lane-unfortunately you don't have much hope of figuring this out either .

Do you always bring a water pistol to an artillery duel?

[tcrist]

Cobrabill,
Your funny.

I do have a question though. Why does it seem that you always have to edit your posts. Can't you do anything right the first time?

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by tcrist

Cobrabill,
Your funny.

I do have a question though. Why does it seem that you always have to edit your posts. Can't you do anything right the first time?

It's always done right the first time.But a little tweaking takes it beyond it's initial perfection.

Point
Set
Match

[tcrist]

Ok you got me on that one.

[Jamo]

Imagine how many times it takes him to wipe.

In any event, are you folks quite finished now?

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by McD00

Several years ago I was driving in the left lane about 10mph over the speed limit when some idiot came up behind me flashing his lights. He couldn't wait 2 seconds for me to move over so he passed on the right swerved in front of me and jumped on the brakes I damn near hit him....that pissed me off So I did the same damn thing to him except I realy slammed on the brakes....he hit me in the assend...lost control and spun into the median. I watched in the rear view intil he got out of his car. Stupid SOB....I taught him a lesson. He made me spill my coffee.

McVette

Damn...you just keep opening that window into your head a bit more each time you post.

[JTN]

Hey tcrist -
It's the people like you, ( "I'm doing the posted speed limit, so i own the left lane" ) that make an already SCREWED UP Bay Area commute even worse.

Second, Unless you moved to the central valley of Calif. and did not update your profile then it would be kind of hard for me to almost get you killed.

Third, Pitty me for being the way I am? Read my first post on this. It stated that only sometimes I will stay in the fast lane. Normally I drive in the slow lane.

If you almost got killed by someone while driving, that sucks. I am glad that you did not get hurt.


Actually (being serious here), I know that staying in the fast lane and not pulling over for someone that is driving faster is against the law. I have always known that. The point that I was trying to get accross is that if you are driving the "max speed limit" in the fast lane, you should not have to pull over for someone that is speeding. After all if they were not breaking the law then me driving the speed limit in the fast lane would not mean anything to them.
According to the "many" police officers that I know "my Lady works for the sherrifs department", the #1 cause for traffic accidents is "" SPEEDING "". They said that they would only say anything to someone driving the speed limit in the fast lane if there were more that "3" cars behind them and then they would only tell them to move over. They would not write them a ticket.

Has any of the people responding here ever drove in a populated area in Calif? The normal is to use every lane that is available. There are way too many cars on the road to just leave the fast lane open for people to pass you. Besides, the speeders would be the ones that would stay in the fast lane and never get out of it because "they would always be passing someone". I.E. it is standard to stay in the fast lane here in Calif. Thes people also have no respect for the law or they would not be speeding in the first place. I know, I know, I have no respect for the law for staying in the fast lane either. I know someone will reply that way so lets get it out of the way now.

Also remember my statment about the comments about "using the chrome horn", "using the pit manuver", "running someone off of the road on purpose". The things that I and "people like me" were somewhat threatend with. as I said before, what has been said about that is " assult with a deadly weapon". People that stay in the fast lane could get a ticket for a minimal amount, only if the police decided to write one.
I have seen the same cars, day after day, speeding and tailgating during my commmute to work. There is a friend of mine that drives like that and it is because he never leaves on time. He has to drive that fast to try to either make it to work or to an appointment on time. Instead of driving that fast, why not leave 5 to 10 min earlier and drive slower.

Read my first post on this,




How many of you responed because you thought that I intionally jump to the fast lane and slow down to 10 MPH under the speed limit just to block traffic.

It does not say that. I agree that I am wrong for holding up traffic in the fast lane but (as I said previously), If I am driving the speed limit and if the guys or gals behind me were not speeding then then it would not matter.

No, two wrongs do not make a right. I will agree with that.

Now, I have waited to post again on this figuring that it would just go back to what the post was about in the first place but it looks like you guys will not let it go so I felt the need to respond.

Say what you want and maybe Jamo or Ron will just close this thread. Remember, It was not me that has threatened others.

This will be my last post on this thread so have fun and enjoy life because life is too short to argue all of the time. Believe me on this. I know what I am talking about.

Have a nice life.
Terry[/quote]

[392cobra]

I've listened to a certain song many times since this thread started.It does a good job in telling about an attitude a certain person in the song has while driving a car.

I have to tell y'all,that quite a number of y'all on both sides of this left lane issue sound like you fit the description of the subject driving in the song.

Were You Born An A$$hole - Hank Williams Jr.