CSX6000?? on Ebay

[gt500bill]

You tell me what this seems to be. Found on Ebay sounds fishy. Talks about removed serial number??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...3AIT&viewitem=

[Power Surge]

Hmm, very interesting. She's obviously wrong about the serial, but it does look like it could be an original street car, or at least an older Anglis built car.

[What'saCobra?]

IMHO - it is a con of some sort. That aly body didn't just fall out of the sky onto that chassis. Some several people know this car for sure, you can bet. Wonder how thick it is? Might ID this as a reworked MKIV.

Nothing wrong with reworking a MKIV, good idea. But, scraping off the ID? Sign of serious trouble seeking a patsy ("investor" grade). Forget Brian Angliss as a source removing the ID. He was tough and sharp, but not stupid. We all know of several "high profile" folks that were quite stupid about mis-representations. Brian did not do that. He was quite happy to build you a new car to slide under your number, if that would help your repair, however.

For proper cars, paperwork is everything, then the car. No paperwork, think of this as a kit. Maybe some day you might be happily surprised, but don't count on it. Used kit in this shape might be worth 45K. Don't pay over 30-35K. More than that is a gamble, not for this faint heart.

Only for the brave and/or foolish.

[DMXF]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

Hmm, very interesting. She's obviously wrong about the serial, but it does look like it could be an original street car, or at least an older Anglis built car.

Sal, that looks like an Angliss built car, among a number of attributes some of the chassis welds are not typical for a 60's vintage real Cobra. Many jurisdictions consider the rights to the chassis number to follow the "car", unless it was stolen, as a title is really nothing more than ancillary documentation of ownership of any particular "car" and you can transfer ownership by other means (including just a bill of sale), ie; if a car was sold, but the seller kept the title, that doesn't give the seller the legitimate right to use that title on a newly constructed car. But this car on Ebay doesn't appear to have any intrinsic hidden value. It may be that it was one of those fakes that at one point was identified with a real Cobra chassis number and the owner was convinced at some point to remove any such markings when confronted by the real CSX# owner.

[jacks996]

There is something illegal going on with this car. I would like to know the real history of it

[jacks996]

I have a couple emails from the seller and they have no proof of anything about the car. It is speculation about the history of it. I would not go near it

[mrmustang]

Da Bunnies has confirmed it's a Brian Angliss car, why the chassis number is ground off is beyond their scope of investigation at this time.


Bill S.

[JBo]

Car is "probably" an Autokraft, which as an owner of one is not a bad thing. There are two other places on chassis for vin number though, I don't recall location at the moment. One interesting thing from the pictures is the spline drive wheel setup (standard on AC 289 Sports) vs the MKIV's standard pin drive setup. All the differences in body vs a MKIV could have been done by Autokraft at the factory, that being said the body conforms to an 289 sports spec as far as I know. Calling the car a 6000 series may be very misleading as sources in UK claim all 289 sports are accounted for.

All this being said, you have what appears to be either an AC 289 Sports or an Autokraft MKIV that is disassembled, has no "paper" , a story and a lot of work ahead. Worth...no where near $120K in current condition in US. If AC 289 Sports and in England assembled, worth about $120 + USD. If Autokraft and together in USA $ (with 427 claimed) maybe be a $100k car. With no papers.though, I'd guess it becomes a reconstructed car in most states...but there is a vin on the car...two with same vin or an owner of this vehicle got caught trying to pass it off as something else (Cobra or a CEX/COB). Couls also be a paper car from a wreck that had new chassis and body attached to it at one time when some one else retained the "ownwership" of the wreck. make a great track car w/o papers, but not at $120k.

This is an enigma wrapped in a conudrum surrounded by a great deal of uncertainty!!!!!!! Creavat emptor (SP)

[1985 CCX]

I have had a couple emails with the owner. The car is being sold as a Kit Car produced/assembled on a non-specific date via Brian Angliss/or workers on a non-disclosed date sometime in the past. Many bizzar things 427FE, spline drive, street and S/C details. It does have LWT type bumper attachements and MKIV styling underneath but different extending frame rails, at least compared to MKIV's I have seen. It looks to be a conglomeration in styles and in need of a hefty sum of $$$ to complete. That being said the value (my opinion) would be nothing higher than a KMS w/o title or MSO in the same condition from what I can see as it is just an ally kit. The car is offered at a price that should at least get you a nice show/driver via Angliss. This sounds like one of those cars someone paid big $$ for and found it to be a fraud when the real one showed up. (I agree $35-40k range tops)

In NH it would be possible to get this registered as it is older and thus no title needed but still a task. In some states it will be near impossible to get this one legit. I wish good luck to the seller.

Would I want the car: YES.
Is it worth the headache: probably not for the $120K. That is unless you have that kind of money to which it does not matter.

Definately a conversation peice. BTW: the #'s on these cars are stamped everywhere door hinge, latch's etc where did they go?

[mk2gt40]

Previous owner probaly a certain Mr. Alan Lubinsky?
I have a friend who had his "borrowed" by the above!

[JBo]

just for the record "who said" this car is being sold for/on behalf of Brian Anglis? The seller on EBAY?

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by JBo

just for the record "who said" this car is being sold for/on behalf of Brian Anglis? The seller on EBAY?

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

I have had a couple emails with the owner. The car is being sold as a Kit car by Brian Angliss.

I think what Jeff was saying that it was "being sold as a (pause...pause) kit car by Brian Angliss"...

not that it was being sold by Brian.

[1985 CCX]

Ron,

Thanks!

[mickmate]

Looks like it might have spent a little time in the salt water between here and there too!
Interesting it has fully welded front suspension mounts, flat top not stepped radiator, fabricated not forged brake and clutch pedals. Nowhere near 120K worth there. I wouldn't put 427 power through spline drive.

[JBo]

I miss read the line....so sorry! To clarify a point though.... Anglis did not; I'm told do kits. What he did was rollers and complete cars and parts of any type for MKI, II, III's and MKIV's and their derivations of COB and CEX's.
This particular car is , if it exists, probably wrapped in an urban legend by someone.

[Nedsel]

And J. Bo, if you really believe one can buy an AC 289 in the UK for $120k US, you have been out of the Cobra market for way too long. But if you manage to do it, I'll give you $125k all day long. Think of the potential profit!!

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

And J. Bo, if you really believe one can buy an AC 289 in the UK for $120k US, you have been out of the Cobra market for way too long. But if you manage to do it, I'll give you $125k all day long. Think of the potential profit!!

Let's have an auction!
I'll go $130K.
Anyone else?

[1985 CCX]

Ned

I think he was saying 120k if it were an Angliss LWT, together and running?
If it is truly a 6000 series car it would easily be worth the 120k, problem is: What is it?

[Trevor Legate]

It's 'worth staying away from' is what it is......

how can you import/export something that has no record of manufacture or chassis I.D.?

[JBo]

Correct, my assumption is that it isa BA 6000 series car. There appears to be at least one built according to a highly respected UK author. If it were an AC COB CEX 6000 it would be worth incredibly ( this may be an incorreect use of an adverb)significantly more. There are a couple of serious questions about this car though...the splined hubs & this would be the first . There appears to be a strange mix; to my eye and the darken pictures ; of a custom MKIV and possibly a AKL or perhaps a289 sport. It is the first AC/Shelby/AutoKraft that I've heard of with some sort of vin plate apparently riveted to the top of a front upright...neither are impossibilities...but? What wheels (spline drive ) came with the coiler 289 sports?

One thing for sure, without papers, even with an AK number; unless someone ground them all off; this is not lisencable in the states. A stay away unless you can buy it real cheap or need an alloy parts car desperately.

BTW Trevor, I just found a note to self, I owe you $20 USD pm your address again. Jim