What is the best FORD engine per dollar

[RodKnock]

Uh, where's the factual data related to the weight reduction and handling improvement of an all aluminum 482 in your equation?

What's with the Jack Nicholson quote from "A Few Good Men"? Clint Eastwood from "Dirty Harry" said "A man's got to know his own limitations." Do you?

[Excaliber]

Man is that guy mentally challenged or what?

Now read this R E A L S L O W so your pea brain can grasp it.

FE is the best motor for a 427 body style Cobra.

That's my opinion, and it's starting to really piss me off that you keep referring to that opinion as FE-Tarded. Phuck you and stuff your 385 where the sun don't shine.

[JWilly]

Ernie is back...I was getting concerned. Whew!

[DR 385]

Rodknock,

My role is not to antagonize you (That’s just a perk)
My goal is to ask (or force with humorous words if necessary) you and the other FE....guys to speak truthfully when answering a question. If you wish to interject opinion, fine so long as it’s clearly defined as such.

The question of the post still stands:
"If you were going to buy, or have one built, what type of FORD engine combo would produce the highest HP/TQ per dollar, all else being equal. Just curious"

Plain and simple, answered with fact.

It is difficult at best to quantify an “improvement in handling” in a street car, as a result of the reduced weight by using an Aluminum block. Is lighter better, in my opinion yes, I too believe that Aluminum blocks are worth the money. But again, that’s not the question of this post.

Stay with me now, I was using Mr. Nicholson’s line from that movie as an analogy (logical inference). That the people of this forum walls want me to keep them safe from the enemy(FEtards), those who would speak that which is not true.

Really? Come on! youre taking some of the fun out of my well thought-out, humorous use of that great writing!
Its like the “shorter rope” joke, everybody else got it!
Ill tell you what, before you ask me again, get the neighbor kid to explain this stuff to you. Honestly…
If I write slower it looks the same on the screen.

Limitations?
I haven’t found any, but ill keep looking.


Excalibur,
Wow! LOL.
Are you angry with me?
You need to watch that language buddy, your going get banned…
thats a big post count to have to start over..


Dr385

[DR 385]

I dont know why, but its funnier when he says "FE-tarded"



Dr385

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by DR 385

It's possible the excessive sunshine is magnifying the symptoms of your condition. You might want to try a relocating to a climate that has less, possibly Seattle. A side benefit (for the rest of us) is that city's high suicide rate. Make some friends, sip some decaf, and talk about how much better it will be for you on the other side...

What a BAS-TARD.

For once I have to agree with you. If there is a city with less sunshine than Seattle in the good old USA, I have not been there, and I have traveled a lot.

Suicide could damn near be a team sport in this festering crap hole.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by DR 385

Rodknock,

My role is not to antagonize you (That’s just a perk)

Dr385

I didn't say that you antagonize ME. I have no issues with you trying to be funny. I'm actually laughing at the fact that you think what your writing is actually funny (it's not). The whole alter ego/persona/DR385 thing just begs the question if you need to seek psychological help.

You can't quantify a weight reduction and an improvement in handling? How about lateral G's and lbs? Please tell me if you were handed a road course to run around in and you have two cars that were/are equal, but one had an iron block 460/514 and the other with the all aluminum 427/482, which would you choose? I know which one I would choose and the resale would be better too.

I noticed for your calculations that you used the KC engine with the Shelby block at 19K versus using the KC engine with the Pond block for $17K. Why? Also, would you want a production iron 460 block or an aftermarket Pond or Shelby block? Scorpion rockers versus Erson shaft mount rockers? Etc., etc. Parts aren't always parts. The Pond/Shelby engine uses better quality parts, saves weight and will be worth more when you sell. More dollars at resale changes your $/HP question, because there is a certain segment of the Cobra buying public who will not purchase a Cobra with a 460 just based upon historical accuracy to the original.

I love how you use the word "truth" when in fact it is your opinion no matter what data you manipulate for your benefit.

[DR 385]

Rodknock,

Shoot! I tried!
It's not a surprise to any of us that it's not funny to you, I am mocking you for Pete’s sake.
What makes you think that DR385 is an alter ego? How long have you perceived that the reality you are experiencing isn’t the reality you know? Hmmm, let expand on that.
So what you see isn’t real, but what you KNOW is real. Hmmmm
Hold on, I’m changing my diagnosis.
Can you say “Psychosis”

We also need to work on your reading comprehension.
I give you partial credit, you tried (unsuccessfully) to read my response.
And in typical “FE”TARD fashion you tried to change the topic again to suit you, but I will soldier through.
I included the Shelby based motor as a courtesy to you, and point of cost reference seeing as you have one.
Listen closely,
Engine for engine, the FE does not, will not, can not compare to a Windsor or a 385 series engine.
Back to the topic of the post, Both Windsor’s and 385 series engines will make the same power as an FE at less cost
Or more power at the same cost

If you wish to compare engines, set a power goal and calculate the cost to achieve it.
Or set a dollar cap and let’s determine which engine family can make more power?
It’s interesting to me how quickly you are willing to compare your $19000.00 pile of alum Feces, to an iron block 385 on a road course. Why is that?
You do know that the make alum 385 blocks. An aluminum 385 series of substantially lower cost will make much more power (remember the original post) at near the same weight, this is speculation as I don’t have weight data.

Yes, shamefully true, people whom speak to you and the other FETARDS will be under the misguided impression that the FE is the “Best Ford engine per dollar”

I manipulated data?
Oh Please tell the good readers where and when, so I can correct it and make a public apology.
“He-He’s lying !! Its not true!! FEs ARE BETTER!! I swear!!”

Dr385

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by DR 385

Rodknock,

Shoot! I tried!
It's not a surprise to any of us that it's not funny to you, I am mocking you for Pete’s sake.
What makes you think that DR385 is an alter ego? How long have you perceived that the reality you are experiencing isn’t the reality you know? Hmmm, let expand on that.
So what you see isn’t real, but what you KNOW is real. Hmmmm
Hold on, I’m changing my diagnosis.
Can you say “Psychosis”

We also need to work on your reading comprehension.
I give you partial credit, you tried (unsuccessfully) to read my response.
And in typical “FE”TARD fashion you tried to change the topic again to suit you, but I will soldier through.
I included the Shelby based motor as a courtesy to you, and point of cost reference seeing as you have one.
Listen closely,
Engine for engine, the FE does not, will not, can not compare to a Windsor or a 385 series engine.
Back to the topic of the post, Both Windsor’s and 385 series engines will make the same power as an FE at less cost
Or more power at the same cost

If you wish to compare engines, set a power goal and calculate the cost to achieve it.
Or set a dollar cap and let’s determine which engine family can make more power?
It’s interesting to me how quickly you are willing to compare your $19000.00 pile of alum Feces, to an iron block 385 on a road course. Why is that?
You do know that the make alum 385 blocks. An aluminum 385 series of substantially lower cost will make much more power (remember the original post) at near the same weight, this is speculation as I don’t have weight data.

Yes, shamefully true, people whom speak to you and the other FETARDS will be under the misguided impression that the FE is the “Best Ford engine per dollar”

I manipulated data?
Oh Please tell the good readers where and when, so I can correct it and make a public apology.
“He-He’s lying !! Its not true!! FEs ARE BETTER!! I swear!!”

Dr385

Who makes a 385 series aluminum block? I have looked but all I can find are dry race blocks.

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I didn't say that you antagonize ME. I have no issues with you trying to be funny. I'm actually laughing at the fact that you think what your writing is actually funny (it's not).

Rod,

Not only does he think his posts have humor, but he decides for himself that "everybody else got it!". Everyone got it, but they didn't get what you thought they got.

There are no fast 385's at any track event (road course) that I ever been to, and if there was, they ate a set of tires. Any serious SPF driver would never have a 385 in their Cobra, but Doc you can call Dennis Olthoff and ask him, unless you know something about racing on a road course that Dennis doesn't know. But then again you haven't said what your car number is, or what your knowledge base is.

No one would buy an 460 aluminum block (wet or dry) and slug it into a Cobra when you can buy an aluminum FE block.

E

[RodKnock]

Eric, the Doc is obviously covering up for some feelings of inadequacy. It seems obvious to me that his aggressive behavior here has shown that, if he had the few extra dollars for an FE, he would have bought one.

Call it "FE-Envy".

Now along with these feelings of inadequacy that the Doc has, if you look at the only picture in his gallery (no pics of his alleged Cobra), it would appear to me that he has some latent homesexual tendencies.

Now back on topic. Here's a link to one of Barry R's many Engine Masters entries. I believe this one was from 2005-2006. Now, the engine cost was not disclosed, but the article is entitled Blue Collar Blue Oval. He made 752 HP with many off the shelf FE parts. Barry has consistently won with FE's. He's now building a SOHC engine for the latest challenge.

http://www.survivalmotorsports.com/FE_EMC_article.html

[lovehamr]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Barry has consistently won with FE's. He's now building a SOHC engine for the latest challenge.

Don't get me wrong I like Barry and I'm glad he's flying the FE flag but you may want to be more specific about "consistently" and "won."

Steve

[Got the Bug]

OK. Here's a challenge. Don't post any additional response to "Dr. Demento's" posts.

You guys are feeding the monster. Feed away, if you enjoy the banter.

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by Got the Bug

OK. Here's a challenge. Don't post any additional response to "Dr. Demento's" posts.

You guys are feeding the monster. Feed away, if you enjoy the banter.

I'm sorry, did you just post?

E

[Dwight]

What was the topic of this thread???????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????

Dwight

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by lovehamr

Don't get me wrong I like Barry and I'm glad he's flying the FE flag but you may want to be more specific about "consistently" and "won."

Steve

OK, he's consistently entered the competition.

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by Great Asp

No one would buy an 460 aluminum block (wet or dry) and slug it into a Cobra when you can buy an aluminum FE block.

E

Sorry, but you are wrong.

I was never a fan of the FE series of engines, and I personally would never buy one, be it cast iron or aluminum. Since I do however like big blocks, that left me with one choice, and that was the 385 series. This is my first Ford performance engine and I'm very pleased with what I have.

For those that have choosen the FE series and are happy with their choice, I'm happy for them also. It just was not the choice for me.

[undy]

a voice of reason ... plus some non-binding mediation here.

Dr 385, You're funny, apparently somewhat knowledgeable (Ford anyway) and have pretty good writing skills. You ARE abrasive, purposeful to get the results you desire I would imagine. I hate to say, in a somewhat twisted way, that I kinda like ya..

Since the title of the original post was "What is the best Ford engine per dollar", the word "best" is open up to one's interpretation. Then in a semi-contradictory manner the OP went on to inject the "highest HP/TQ per dollar" into the equation. You simply defended the "content" of the post, not incorrect at all. I agree $$ per HP, no question, the 385 & Windsor will give the biggest HP bang for the buck. BTW ... I do have an aluminum side oiler in my ride ... and eyes wide open, would install it again in a heartbeat.


Everyone else, You guys know you've probably supplied Dr 385 with more amusement and chuckles than he's had in a long time. The fish-on-a-line scenario comes to mind.

Now the meat and taters, we Cobra owners (at least the ones with FEs) know the "best" engine for a Cobra could only be the FE, just a "FE"nominal power plant. It gains the most respect, awe ... and .. $$ at sale. That FE sound ... ahhhh, music to our ears..

Soooo.... DR 385 is right when saying that a Windsor/385 gives the biggest HP for the $$ and the whole friggin Cobra world (at least the ones without 385s, 302s and Windsors ) is right when saying that the FE is the "best" engine for a Cobra.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[lovehamr]

Works for me Dave!

[scottj]

Nope, that doesn't work. The title is just a hook to get you to read the thread. The question asked in the thread supersedes the title through elaboration. Please... let's not derail this thread by allowing everyone to be "right". This thread has been more entertaining than than anything on here in about 7-8 years.