kit car ratings - Page 3

RACERAL · #1 (**permalink**) 04-12-2009, 04:59 PM

I must admit I do get my panties in a wad when I start reading the same things about FFR that I read 10 years ago about them...
Maybe I shouldn't be so defensive... But the way FFRs are built these days compaired to 10 years ago in night and day difference, but some folks keep on thinking "all donor" cars... Hardly any of them are donor these days.
But I try as hard as I can to explain to folks when I go to car shows and I have my 30k car on display beside a 70k SPF,ERA, what the difference is... and I try like hell to point out the difference (IRS vs. striaght axle, my mostly stock motor vs. a 20k motor.) and most of the time they just shrug their shoulders and walk off...Oh, don't get me started on pin drive "real wheels" vs. 4 or 5 lug wheels.
I have never read any threads about 4,5 lugs wheels falling off.

This thread will not be the last discussing the merits or lack there of, of the FFR.... Would I like to have a Kirkham... Damn right!!!!!! ERA TOO!!!!

patrickt · #2 (**permalink**) 04-12-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RACERAL

I must admit I do get my panties in a wad ...
Maybe I shouldn't be so defensive...

Or just try weaving classic poetry in to your posts. It'll make you feel better.

twin turbo · #3 (**permalink**) 04-12-2009, 05:28 PM

Igofastr, you couldn't possibly want a FFR spec racer, that chart says they score last place for track quality, so they must be the slowest of all manufacturers on a track, LOL.

ENTDOC · #4 (**permalink**) 04-12-2009, 06:19 PM

like I said the top 6 or 7 cobras being built now are all very good as far as I am concerned. I have my personal list of what is important to me and which I like the best, but all seem to be very well engineered cars and each has its merits and faults. FFR guys have no reason to get upset about anything, no more than non FFR guys should when they are visiting the FFCobra forum and get slammed about so called weak frames of other makes.

patrickt · #5 (**permalink**) 04-12-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ENTDOC

FFR guys have no reason to get upset about anything...

Other than the fact that they clearly have difficulty independently managing their mental stance on the subject, which feeds the feelings of inadequacy and, consequently, they seek solace in the FFR 12 step program that eventually ends in the purchase of something a little farther up your list.

TButtrick · #6 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 05:43 AM

I own two crappy FFRs and love em both.

Maricopa · #7 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 07:50 AM

Hey Jamo, if we can have a Buttrick here, why not a ****ey? I mean, as long as we keep them a reasonable distance apart.

dj8418 · #8 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 08:04 AM

As an interested reader of this thread, how were the ratings in the earlier spreadsheet determined? One person's opinion, a panel of "experts" or a wide ranging survey of owners? Just curious as I am trying to educate myself on this topic.

Got the Bug · #9 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dj8418

As an interested reader of this thread, how were the ratings in the earlier spreadsheet determined? One person's opinion, a panel of "experts" or a wide ranging survey of owners? Just curious as I am trying to educate myself on this topic.

Dinobyte's spreadsheet was just a SWAG at an idea for rating the cars. Seems like a reasonable starting point. Just massage the inputs so that it support your original thesis...voila, you've got the best car.

Buzz · #10 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dj8418

As an interested reader of this thread, how were the ratings in the earlier spreadsheet determined? One person's opinion, a panel of "experts" or a wide ranging survey of owners? Just curious as I am trying to educate myself on this topic.

The chart is a complete crock made by a Backdraft person to promote Backdraft replicas.

Backdraft looks on par with Unique and Superformance???

Only if you set the BDR's bulging, butt-heavy look as the high standard. If the actual look, proportions and stance of a Cobra are used as the standard, Backdraft gets a generous "2" in that department. Unique would rate a "4.5" right behind ERA.

Backdraft's average score higher than CSX, SPF, ERA and Unique???

Not on this planet, unless again BDR and not the Cobra itself is set as the standard all manufacturers aspire to replicate.

Nothing against BDR or the folks that love them, they are a nice "Cobra like hotrod" but don't try to pass off marketing hype as objective Cobra replica evaluation. Please don't take this as an attack on Backdraft, just calling bs on the bs in the chart.

patrickt · #11 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Buzz

Please don't take this as an attack on Backdraft, just calling bs on the bs in the chart.

I would have posted that myself earlier, but I had already maxed out my acerbity limit.

Dinobyte · #12 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz

The chart is a complete crock made by a Backdraft person to promote Backdraft replicas.

Backdraft looks on par with Unique and Superformance???

Only if you set the BDR's bulging, butt-heavy look as the high standard. If the actual look, proportions and stance of a Cobra are used as the standard, Backdraft gets a generous "2" in that department. Unique would rate a "4.5" right behind ERA.

Backdraft's average score higher than CSX, SPF, ERA and Unique???

Not on this planet, unless again BDR and not the Cobra itself is set as the standard all manufacturers aspire to replicate.

Nothing against BDR or the folks that love them, they are a nice "Cobra like hotrod" but don't try to pass off marketing hype as objective Cobra replica evaluation. Please don't take this as an attack on Backdraft, just calling bs on the bs in the chart.

Buzz,

I am not trying to promote anyone's brand. I don't receive a commission if someone buys a Backdraft. I am an owner, yes. Would I have prefered a Kirkham? Yes! Is there anyone here who would not?

If you read my post, it asked for everyones input. The chart is a start, not a finish. As for your claim of not attacking anyone, nice try, but you don't get a pass that easily. I am sure you would would not try that BS with me in person.

Try being a bit more of the solution and not the problem. Why not add to this in a positive way and not come off as a flame thrower.

Michael

patrickt · #13 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dinobyte

Try being a bit more of the solution and not the problem. Why not add to this in a positive way and not come off as a flame thrower.

Michael

Hey Buzz, I bet Michael could kick your a$$. Buttrick's too.

Buzz · #14 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dinobyte

Buzz,

I am not trying to promote anyone's brand. I don't receive a commission if someone buys a Backdraft. I am an owner, yes. Would I have prefered a Kirkham? Yes! Is there anyone here who would not?

If you read my post, it asked for everyones input. The chart is a start, not a finish. As for your claim of not attacking anyone, nice try, but you don't get a pass that easily. I am sure you would would not try that BS with me in person.

Try being a bit more of the solution and not the problem. Why not add to this in a positive way and not come off as a flame thrower.

Michael

Quit acting like a spoiled kid. I stand by everything I posted. On line or in person, makes no difference to me. Your chart is your way to justify buying a BDR and nothing more. Sorry.

Two guys escalating an internet difference of opinion to chest pounding, threats and personal conflict makes little sense. But while we're at it

, let me assure you with all sincerity that if you said to my face that Backdrafts are better Cobra replicas overall than ERA's, CSX's, SPF's and Uniques, bet your bottom dollar buddy I would surely laugh out loud and tell you that you are full of it. How you choose to react to that is your problem. If you say that you like BDR's better than the others because of personal preferences and tastes, nothing at all wrong with that, just don't expect me to feel the same way.

My positive contribution to the chart idea is that the only objective set of standards for evaluating cars that attempt to replicate a Cobra is by comparing them to a Cobra. If we are to go with subjective opinions about what "looks nice" and "rides nice" we might as well forget it. As for which has "the best track performance" - lol! With what engine? Transmission? Who's driving? What track?

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Originally Posted by patrickt
Hey Buzz, I bet Michael could kick your a$$. Buttrick's too.

Patrick, TButtrick and Mr. D*ckey need to duke it out over who has the nastiest name on cc. Then the winner gets to kick your butt for putting two roll bars on a nice ERA! Hey - just like a BDR!! maybe thats why Dino gave ERA's a "5"

TButtrick · #15 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by maricopa

hey jamo, if we can have a buttrick here, why not a ****ey? I mean, as long as we keep them a reasonable distance apart.

lmao.........

Rad22 · #16 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 09:05 AM

My FFR was built over a 2 year span in my own garage/shop using all new parts and an American-built crate 351W. I did all the work myself other than the paint. Total cost was over $50k, but it could have been done as well for less.

I am sure there are other brands of equal quality, but FFR's don't deserve a back seat to anyone.

I'll let the pictures speak for themselves. Examine them closely. You'll see the design/build quality.

elmariachi · #17 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 08:57 AM

All these comparisons do is wind up pissing people off. Having owned Harley's, boats, Porsches etc, the one thing those owners all had in common is they congregated together by brand, even on the forums. So they can say their's is best and everyone agrees. Here on CC, that is not the case, we are all one big melting pot, melting being the operative word

. In my opinion there are too many current and past cars and builders/options/bodystyles/powerplants/build methods to compare one against the other. But it makes for good entertainment.

patrickt · #18 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by elmariachi

Here on CC ... we are all one big melting pot, -- it makes for good entertainment.

I don't like anybody that isn't exactly like me.

elmariachi · #19 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by patrickt

I don't like anybody that isn't exactly like me.

Me too, I mean, me neither.

Buzz · #20 (**permalink**) 04-13-2009, 09:14 AM

I don't know if I totally agree, elmariachi - I own a Unique and while I will state that it is a very good replica - accurate in appearance, well engineered, easy to assemble, solidly constructed and backed up by some of the finest people in the business - I will not claim it is the "best" in the company of Kirkhams and CSX replicas.

The truth is that while people can and should be expected to be honest and objective, what's good for on person ain't necessarily good for another. Since these are all Cobra replicas, the only objective way to rate them is on how well they replicate a Cobra.

Patrick, don't give up on yourself just yet, buddy - I'm sure you still got some left in you!