Superformance or Backdraft and why!

[rob frink]

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[sparks]

Great video ! It really says it all.

[SP01715]

Good video. It's amazing that these cars attract attention from people of all ages.

[Got the Bug]

Originally Posted by rob frink

"The beginning of a Dream."

http://vimeo.com/4091669

Great video clip Rob. I saw it when it was posted on SCOF, but fun to see again.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by jhv48

I'm in trouble now.

The guys over at the FFR Forum got wind that I'm thinking about changing teams.

Not happy!

And there is a heck of a lot of them!

Uh, Patrick must not be feeling well today. No comment? Maybe he's mellowing in his old age.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Uh, Patrick must not be feeling well today. No comment? Maybe he's mellowing in his old age.

Never felt better, thank you very much. And I'm on record saying I would go with an FFR over a similarly priced CSX car. Surely that speaks for itself.

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by Got the Bug

Thanks Eric. Great to hear that your new venture is going well and that 1380 played a roll in funding your start-up. You're definitely a loyal brand advocate...Superformance should use you in an ad.

Well, truth be told I have many Superformance freinds that <gulp> I missed while I did not have a car for the last few years. I am sure it is like that for the different Cobra manufacturers, but my freinds drive SPFs, and there was never a question what brand I was going to get. The product is fantastic, and the owners are more fantastic.

Now if I was a baller I'd buy a Kirkham and hang out with the "up-town" men on this forum

E

Ah, the car wash photo..... <day dreams>

[jhv48]

Ok, ok, are there any owners of BDR or SPF cars in the northern part of San Diego that would like to invite me to check out their cars before I make the ultimate sacrifice?

I promise I won't ask to drive it! Just want to see how the seating fits me.

[D-CEL]

Ok, we will discard the looks as that is a personal taste issue, some have it, and some don’t…(Just kidding! Everybody settle down!)

Efnfast,
Yes, better chassis. Here is why.
The pictures you posted of chassis’s from each company are interesting, however they don’t clearly illustrate the differences between SPF and BDR. More directly it portrays the BDR frame as more than it is. The picture you posted of the BDR frame suggests a fully triangulated design, with “X” type bracing in the door and trans tunnel and features a “bird cage” for the body mounting, suggesting that it has or will receive riveted panels further increasing its stiffness. Of the several BDR’s I have become intimate with, that is not the standard chassis. I couldn’t even find that chassis picture on any of the BDR web sites.
Hmmmm, that’s interesting, if I had a company that built that chassis, id be proud and id show it on my web site… Then I looked at the photo again..
Ya know it looks familiar, it looks like a Factory Five Chassis, (which in my opinion is the best replica Cobra chassis) Ill be darned!! It is!!

http://www.factoryfive.com/roadster/...RDFrame24D.jpg

Wait a minute, you’re confusing my simple brain, why would you post a picture the FFR chassis and portray it as a BDR?

Anyway, I have spent a lot of time underneath both cars, I feel the SPF suspension is
more robust and better designed. Unequal length tubular A-arms and coil-over vs. BMW sourced struts and lower control arms.
I like the Wilwood brakes and the 8.8 inch Ford rear end (I hate that they use a different rear now). Low cost, strong, easy to find , wide selection parts.

If you put them both up on a lift and spend some time looking, the differences will be clear.
The questions:1) are those differences important 2) Which “look” do you prefer?
Almost every Sunday morning at Valley Circle and the 101 freeway in Calabasas, there are 3-4 SPF’s and 1 or 2 BDR’s that show up. You are welcome to come and sit in my car (Old SPF #239)
I would guess that one of the BDR owners would be more than happy to accomodate you.

Jason

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

Almost every Sunday morning at Valley Circle and the 101 freeway in Calabasas, there are 3-4 SPF’s and 1 or 2 BDR’s that show up. You are welcome to come and sit in my car (Old SPF #239)
I would guess that one of the BDR owners would be more than happy to accomodate you.

Jason

Thanks, but I'm hoping to find one a little closer to my house. If not, I will go up to Irvine and check out the new ones at the local dealer.

[McD00]

On the lighter side of things, does anyone have any great ideas on how to get a damn bird outa my shop ???? Birds have got to be the dumbest creatures ever invented. THe damn thing just sits way up on the rafters and keeps trying to fly out the skylights, you would think he would look down once in awhile and see the open roll up door !!!

McVette

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

Efnfast,
Yes, better chassis. Here is why.
The pictures you posted of chassis’s from each company are interesting, however they don’t clearly illustrate the differences between SPF and BDR. More directly it portrays the BDR frame as more than it is. The picture you posted of the BDR frame suggests a fully triangulated design, with “X” type bracing in the door and trans tunnel and features a “bird cage” for the body mounting, suggesting that it has or will receive riveted panels further increasing its stiffness. Of the several BDR’s I have become intimate with, that is not the standard chassis. I couldn’t even find that chassis picture on any of the BDR web sites.
Hmmmm, that’s interesting, if I had a company that built that chassis, id be proud and id show it on my web site… Then I looked at the photo again..
Ya know it looks familiar, it looks like a Factory Five Chassis, (which in my opinion is the best replica Cobra chassis) Ill be darned!! It is!!

Jason

Before calling the guy out, you should atleast read his post and attempt to comprehend it. He never said 1 was a BDR...

[madmaxx]

what your problem with a bird in your garage nature loving california, heck it may be a spotted owl. In texas we would just shoot and eat it, be we are a little backwoods but we own our garges.

Originally Posted by McD00

On the lighter side of things, does anyone have any great ideas on how to get a damn bird outa my shop ???? Birds have got to be the dumbest creatures ever invented. THe damn thing just sits way up on the rafters and keeps trying to fly out the skylights, you would think he would look down once in awhile and see the open roll up door !!!

McVette

[TButtrick]

Originally Posted by madmaxx

what your problem with a bird in your garage nature loving california, heck it may be a spotted owl. In texas we would just shoot and eat it, be we are a little backwoods but we own our garges.

Any them Texans can put one helluva sentence together as well.

[rokndad]

Originally Posted by McD00

On the lighter side of things, does anyone have any great ideas on how to get a damn bird outa my shop ???? Birds have got to be the dumbest creatures ever invented. THe damn thing just sits way up on the rafters and keeps trying to fly out the skylights, you would think he would look down once in awhile and see the open roll up door !!!

McVette

.177 pellet rifle with scope. From WalMart or Target.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by rokndad

.177 pellet rifle with scope. From WalMart or Target.

The guy lives around Monterey, CA.

My neighbors would haul me to jail for shooting the darn crows that squawk incessantly in the morning. However, Tom, next time your up in NorCal, bring your pellet rifle and scope. You're hired! Oh, and don't forget to bring the tools too! The Kirkham could use some of those Weber thingees.

[madmaxx]

LOL!!! I am gald I do not have to right for a living!!!

Originally Posted by TButtrick

Any them Texans can put one helluva sentence together as well.

[D-CEL]

Jay,

I will go on record and say that as a Dealer of one of the two brands being discussed your opinion is completely biased. You make money by saying “BDR is better” and therefore, you should remove yourself from the discussion.
With regards to efnfast,
My bad, you are correct, he doesn’t say the chassis is a BDR. Hopefully, I’m the only one that took it that way. I wrongly assumed he was following the post an understood what we are discussing and was adding information that could be used…..
I was wrong, sorry
Additionally, I don’t know if you are aware, but your website states that “bolt on” wheels are standard, knock offs are an “upgrade”

Just thought you should know………

Jason

[jhv48]

I recognized the frame as the one under my current car's body, so the only thing I'm curious about is what the frame of a BDR looks like?

Anyone have a picture?

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

Jay,

I will go on record and say that as a Dealer of one of the two brands being discussed your opinion is completely biased. You make money by saying “BDR is better” and therefore, you should remove yourself from the discussion.
With regards to efnfast,
My bad, you are correct, he doesn’t say the chassis is a BDR. Hopefully, I’m the only one that took it that way. I wrongly assumed he was following the post an understood what we are discussing and was adding information that could be used…..
I was wrong, sorry
Additionally, I don’t know if you are aware, but your website states that “bolt on” wheels are standard, knock offs are an “upgrade”

Just thought you should know………

Jason

Again, back to the comprehension thing. I have not offered an opinion either way in this discussion. Just corrected statements on what is standard and not etc.

I love both brands. I sell the one I feel is the best for the bigger market and the one I feel the most confident in for many reasons. I've said it before and I will say it again... BDR and SPF are not direct competitors.

Thanks for the proofread on my Web site, I'll make the update.