Click It or Ticket Insanity - Page 4

cdog · #61 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cobrakidz

With this seat belt law there is no grey area, it's balck and white-no seat belt=ticket. The police may be trying to create revenue BUT if you follow the rules you don't need to worry.

All these quotes like "Just follow the rules and you'll be fine" and "Just do what the law says" are misguided...

I'll bet someone told George Washington "Just give up the guns and powder, that's the rules, best do it."

I'll bet someone told the Jews "Just move to the ghetto, follow the rules, we'll all be fine."

To hell with following the rules.

The questions we should be asking are: IS THE GOVERMENT TOO INVASIVE?

DO THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO LIMIT MY PERSONAL FREEDOMS?

Etc. If you "rules" guys want to be sheep, go ahead, but count me out....

RodKnock · #62 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Got the Bug

Click or ticket. There's no argument...it takes two seconds to put your seat belt on. Do you drive your Cobra without a seat belt on??

+1. Seat belts save lives. Also, as parents, we set examples for our kids as well. Our kids copy virtually everything we do. If we don't care to put on our seat belt, then our kids won't bother either.

Or you can be a celebrity and drive with them on your lap in the front seat unrestrained.

Further, I was never much a red light runner, but the cameras are doing their job.

People are complaining about too many police officers out there? How about Oakland, CA where they can't hire enough? Law enforcement have a very difficult job, and I for one admire them for the job I wouldn't want to do.

"Don't do the crime , if you can't do the time." Who loves ya baby?

lovehamr · #63 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RedEsprit

So what do the police in counties and cities do? Turn up the heat to preserve their jobs by issuing $200-$300 fines to people leaving the shopping mall or moving their car from one side of the street to the other without a seatbelt on.

Jeeeeeeeeezus man, your lack of insight is overshadowed only by your lack of first hand knowledge. Is it your meaning that when pressed by their bosses for tickets that the cops involved should walk off the job to a picket line or something? Is that what you really want? CDog is right in that todays government is way to intrusive most of us involved in hobbies like this. However anarchy is no way to govern either. If you so desparately want someone to blame then go look in the mirror, you helped vote the bastages in! Esprit my butt, you probably drive a Prius to don't you!?

Steve

Ronbo · #64 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 06:55 PM

You'll love this one...

In Florida it's legal to ride in the bed of a pickup truck, however if your in the front seat you must wear a seat belt. The seatbelt law was enacted right at the same time the mandatory helmet law was abolished.

Heard of a fellow that got in a wreck while picking his nose, drove his finger right into his brain. Perhaps the legislature can assign a staff of researchers to look into this hidden killer.

There's a lot better odds that cheeseburger you just huffed down will kill you, or the cancer gene you inherited from your parents (last I checked it was still legal to clog your arteries). Ejections are not very common, more often than not the car crushes in on you. Steering wheel chrushes your chest in and you spend the last moments of your life coughing blood over the dash.

People that work in emergency services lose persective of how real the danger is since they respond to these accidents for a living, in their eyes it's easy to think "it happens all the time!" in reality it doesn't considering the sheer hours/years that people spend behind the wheel. Who has a wreck every say 10yrs? I've had two in 30yrs of driving, both minor. One my fault one not. Both times not wearing a seat belt, didn't matter.

I guess my question would be where was all this concern when the tax revenue was just a'flowin in???

mr0077 · #65 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 06:58 PM

whining and complaining...and a lot of pompous, self-righteous indignation too...

RedEsprit · #66 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 07:00 PM

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Esprit my butt, you probably drive a Prius to don't you!?

No, Esprit drives an ERA 427 and a red Lotus Turbo Esprit...hence the name

and I click it everytime I get in. Just don't like to be taken advantage of.

Ibr8k4vetts · #67 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mr0077

whining and complaining...and a lot of pompous, self-righteous indignation too...

Are you talking about this thread or your Senator

joe g · #68 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 07:51 PM

Here in ct the po po as there called by one segment of society get $10.00 of every ticket they write for the own department-tell me thats not a revenue scheme
joeg

Sharroll Celby · #69 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 09:59 PM

I am another avid seat-belt wearer, and I would like to have the 18 minutes of my life back from reading this thread. If you dont like the law, get it changed.
If you ALWAYS wear your seat belt, you will NEVER get a ticket for NOT wearing it.
If you NEVER drink and drive, you will NEVER get a DUI.
If you NEVER speed, or drag race on the street, or commit a crime, you will NEVER get a ticket or go to jail for said offenses.

There are things called "laws." Deal with them. JMNSHO

mr0077 · #70 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ibr8k4vetts

are you talking about this thread or your senator

both!!!!!!

Paul F · #71 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 10:54 PM

Forget seatbelts. Cars kill and injure more people than guns and drugs combined.* They should be outlawed!

*from Mendelson PFA tables

DocDirk · #72 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 11:06 PM

Yes, but just think of it....!!! How many lives might be saved if the State were TRULY motivated to bless us with their wisdom and enacted a HELMET LAW for all motorists...lives might be saved, hospital bills reduced, society saved from ourselves!

P.S. Please don't tell my better half that she'll be ticketed right after she leaves the salon .... the officer had better be wearing a helmet too ROFL

Paul F · #73 (**permalink**) 06-01-2009, 11:29 PM

A good thought, but helmets are no longer needed as the front and side airbags are more effective. In the works is the next generation of automated bag deflation called the body-bag (tm pofo enterprises) that people of all ages will be required to wear. It is a vest that blows up upon impact in any situation. Walking, bike, motorcycle, car, truck. Even if you are a pedestrian in a crosswalk and hit by a car, the bodibag (tm pofo enterprizes) will completely surround the wearer and protect them from most impacts.

When legislation is enacted to require wearing the bodybagg (tm pofo enterprizes) (expected in spring 2012), seat belts, air bags, child seats, and helmet use will be eliminated.

RedEsprit · #74 (**permalink**) 06-02-2009, 02:13 AM

Law enforcement agencies across the country are encouraged to write tickets with prizes paid for by federal gas tax dollars.
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The National Highway Transportation Safety Agency (NHTSA) diverts federal gas tax revenue to offer incentives for local police to increase the number of traffic tickets written. In South Carolina, for example, the state police on Tuesday presented six new, fully-equipped police cruisers to local agencies with the best traffic citation performance. A NHTSA grant paid for the Dodge Chargers as well as the other gifts and prizes offered.
...coming up with a new way to ticket motorists in a covert fashion is the most common way to earn a department a new police cruiser:

Nothing like a good ol' fashioned sales contest.

SPF2245 · #75 (**permalink**) 06-02-2009, 02:46 AM

Rondo, I could agree more...I'm biased towards wearing them because of what I see everyday. It's not like I'm someone trying to tell you or stop you from doing something I have no experience in seeing everyday which effects people just like you. My point, if you don't see what I do...and the day comes that you get into a motor vehicle accident, wouldn't you rather be afraid of a ticket (or PO'd about our revenue generating scheme) and have it on when your time comes??? It's sad it takes laws to protect society...but this is one that works and that is why we have LEO to police the roadways. Sorry if some here have had bad contacts with LEO...not all of us are retards.

Bill Bess · #76 (**permalink**) 06-02-2009, 06:25 AM

It's really not a problem...laws are primarily designed to protect folks from hurting themselves and controlling things that need some controlling.....plus making the gov. a little money to pay for the enforcement.

Now if you obey the rules you'll most likely be injury free and live longer, if you choose not follow the rules..you may pay and you might die.

With that said, I hate rules and some of the enforcers, but I wouldn't be here today if it wasn'tt for good seat belts saving my wife's and my life.

Click -it! ...it doesn't hurt much. Bill

Great Asp · #77 (**permalink**) 06-02-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mr0077

whining and complaining...and a lot of pompous, self-righteous indignation too...

both!!!!!!

Thanks for taking time to point that out.

E

Great Asp · #78 (**permalink**) 06-02-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Bess

It's really not a problem...laws are primarily designed to protect folks from hurting themselves and controlling things that need some controlling.....plus making the gov. a little money to pay for the enforcement.

Now if you obey the rules you'll most likely be injury free and live longer, if you choose not follow the rules..you may pay and you might die.

With that said, I hate rules and some of the enforcers, but I wouldn't be here today if it wasn'tt for good seat belts saving my wife's and my life.

Click -it! ...it doesn't hurt much. Bill

Bill,

No worries. I think most on this thread agree with using their seat belts, and coming to a complete stop at an intersection.

It's the use of the seat belt laws to generate money for counties and cities, and the directive given to LEOs to have quotas and goals to write these tickets.

Hey, if I get pulled over by a police officer and I do not have my seat belt on when he walks up, write the ticket, I'll pay the fine. But police have something better to do than become modern meter maids waiting behind bushes to spot the the next "law breaker" without a seatbelt on.

If safety is the goal, let's protect children that the parents don't have strapped into their car seat. I'd have no problem with a LEO waiting outside the mall to catch parents that do not have the kids buckled in. After all, the children can not be responsible for themselves, but we can be, and we are, responsible for ourselves.

E

RedEsprit · #79 (**permalink**) 06-02-2009, 11:57 AM

That's exactly right. The point of the thread is not whether seatbelts should be worn or whether you should stop at red lights nor if those laws should be enforced. The point is, do you think there is justification for law enforcement, cities and counties to opportunistically step up the enforcement in today's economic climate, just to make up for shortfalls in their budget? People are suffering out there. A $200ticket for not having a seatbelt on in a mall parking lot or a $300 fine for going 5 mile per hour over the speed limit can be disastrous to many of the unemployed. My opinion, many police departments are simply being too aggressive in light of the economy.

Sharroll Celby · #80 (**permalink**) 06-02-2009, 04:03 PM

The point is NOT to break the law. If you cant afford the fine, then dont do the crime.

Again, DEAL WITH IT!