Click It or Ticket Insanity

[joe g]

I ALWAYS wear mine. i drive 30,000 miles a year and during my years as avolunteer fireman i saw people die due to not wearing them. BUT to have officers standing in the street to ticket you for not wearing them is just producing revenue.
joeg

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by Sharroll Celby

The point is NOT to break the law. If you cant afford the fine, then dont do the crime.

Again, DEAL WITH IT!

Uuuum.......

Did you read just "above" your post?

So has long as YOU comply, YOU do not care what laws your government makes and decides to inforce based on it's ability to collect revenue.

I'm guessing once you get a ticket in the mail for "running a red light" that the yellow light was timed for about 2 seconds, you will be a convert.

But thanks for looking out for everyone else.

What night is bingo there?

E

[Sharroll Celby]

You are hopelessly comparing apples to oranges.
1. Seat belt tickets - They are telling you THEY ARE GIVING TICKETS for un-belted drivers. Common sense should tell you that if you are belted in, you will NOT get a ticket for that offense.
2. $300 ticket for five miles an hour over the limit? I dont believe that for a second, and besides, if they didnt drive five miles over the limit, there would be NO ticket.
3. I dont believe that there are ANY 2 second yellow lights anywhere. I may be wrong.

Try again.

[Ibr8k4vetts]

If safety is the goal, Why are cops exempt from seat belts laws? They are FAR more likely to be in a high speed crash than most poeple! and don't even get me started on cops talking on cell phones...

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by Sharroll Celby

You are hopelessly comparing apples to oranges.
1. Seat belt tickets - They are telling you THEY ARE GIVING TICKETS for un-belted drivers. Common sense should tell you that if you are belted in, you will NOT get a ticket for that offense.
2. $300 ticket for five miles an hour over the limit? I dont believe that for a second, and besides, if they didnt drive five miles over the limit, there would be NO ticket.
3. I dont believe that there are ANY 2 second yellow lights anywhere. I may be wrong.

Try again.

Sorry Snelby, you are wrong.

The street I live off of has a 30 mph speed limit, and is a dead end. My elderly neighbor recieved a speeding ticket for 35 mph, two houses from his house. The LEO was shooting radar on our street, caught a real criminal and told him "you were going 15% over the speed limit"....$175.00 fine, PLUS court fees. The poor guy was shaking like a leaf, and said he did not know the last time if ever he got a ticket before. Of course my city is high end, you would expect high ticket costs.

My service man got a photo enforced ticket 6 months ago. Upon his complaining about the timing of the light, we went up to the intersetion in Arnold Missouri and timed the light (keep in mind this is a 45 mph intersection), the light timed between 2 and 3 seconds. We complained to the City of Arnold, they "investigated", but said my guy still owed the fine.

please read this (unless I'm wasting your time)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2159268/posts

It's your turn to talk about the experiances you have never had.

The LEOs have been turned into the Highway Men of the new age.

E

[Sharroll Celby]

As I did write, "I may be wrong." And I am man enough to admit it. I have no way of verifying your story of your elderly neighbor, so I will have to take your word for it.

Where did you get "Snelby"?

[RedEsprit]

In spite of the fact that 10% of the residents of Texas have warrants out for their arrest, Virginia probably wins the grand prize. The law itself admits that its only purpose is to raise revenue. Would you like to be a resident of Virginia, out of work, struggling to make a mortgage payment and get caught 15 mph over? Or maybe you just had an obstructed view or maybe just failed to signal. Cmon...this is out of control!

"The purpose of the civil remedial fees imposed in this section is to generate revenue," the new law states. (Virginia Code 46.2-206.1)

Driving as little as 15 MPH over the limit on an interstate highway now brings six license demerit points, a fine of up to $2500, up to one year in jail, and a new mandatory $1050 tax. The law also imposes an additional annual fee of up to $100 if a prior conviction leaves the motorist with a balance of eight demerit points, plus $75 for each additional point (up to $700 a year). The conviction in this example remains on the record for five years.

Other six-point convictions include "failing to give a proper signal," "passing a school bus" or "driving with an obstructed view." The same $1050 assessment applies, but the conviction remains on the record for eleven years.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by Ibr8k4vetts

If safety is the goal, Why are cops exempt from seat belts laws?

They are not. Can you show me any law/regulation that says so? I highly doubt it.

Jim

[jshel1]

Texas has been Click it or Ticket for a decade unless my memory fails (sometimes yesterday seems so long ago).

Just passed by the Texas Congress, awaiting President Perry's signature, back seat passengers and third row passengers will be "clicked or ticked" beginning September 1.

The ink is not yet dry on the budget, but the latest reports show that we must keep our citizens safe and add additional sources of revenue so that we may refuse as much federal stimulus moneys as possible (political statement by Office of the President of Texas).

I think our accepted handout was a paultry 1.5 billion of our 91.1billion annualized budget and we are in the black by about 2.5 billion.

(Acceptance of federal stimulus was based upon political alienation issues rather than absolute need; yes on the balanced budget for those wondering).

[RedEsprit]

JWD,
In many states, the law reads as follows. I can't figure out the taxi cab issue but it is in many states. This would clearly exempt police although I think most religiously wear belts.

Massachussetts state law:

No person shall operate a private passenger motor vehicle or ride in a private passenger motor vehicle ... unless such person is wearing a safety belt ... this provision shall not apply to:

(e) anyone involved in the operation of taxis, liveries, tractors, trucks with gross weight of eighteen thousand pounds or over, buses, and passengers of authorized emergency vehicles.

I guess if you get technical about it, a taxi driver would be exempt even in his own car.

[Ibr8k4vetts]

Originally Posted by jwd

They are not. Can you show me any law/regulation that says so? I highly doubt it.

Jim

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27315.htm

(g) This section does not apply to a passenger or operator with a physically disabling condition or medical condition ( )10 that would prevent appropriate restraint in a safety belt, if the condition is duly certified by a licensed physician and surgeon or by a licensed chiropractor who shall state the nature of the condition, as well as the reason the restraint is inappropriate. This section also does not apply to a public employee, when in an authorized emergency vehicle as defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (b) of Section 165, or to ( )1 a passenger in ( )1 a seat behind the front seat of an authorized emergency vehicle as defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (b) of Section 165 operated by the public employee, unless required by the agency employing the public employee.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by RedEsprit

JWD,
In many states, the law reads as follows. I can't figure out the taxi cab issue but it is in many states. This would clearly exempt police although I think most religiously wear belts.

That's very interesting. In Washington State, there is no exemption. On top of that, the city I work for requires that ALL employees wear a seatbelt at all times the vehicle is in motion. How do I know, 30 years as a firefighter and the last 5 as a safety officer.

I might add that, if you are involved in an accident in a state that requires wearing a seatbelt and are injured, you will likely not recover any damages and possibly not be covered by insurance because you broke the law and contributed to your own injuries because of negligence.

Jim

[Ibr8k4vetts]

You were RIGHT and I was wrong would be all you need the say! J/K LOL

[Ibr8k4vetts]

Originally Posted by jwd

I might add that, if you are involved in an accident in a state that requires wearing a seatbelt and are injured, you will likely not recover any damages and possibly not be covered by insurance because you broke the law and contributed to your own injuries because of negligence.

Jim

That is the way it should be...but this is Kalefornia!

[jwd]

Originally Posted by Ibr8k4vetts

You were RIGHT and I was wrong would be all you need the say! J/K LOL

I read your link and believe it's purpose is to exempt certain people (like medics treating pts. in the back of a rescue rig) not the drivers or pass. in the front of a vehicle.

[Ibr8k4vetts]

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27315_5.htm 27315.5. All law enforcement agencies shall, not later than January 1, 1991, establish a policy and issue an order, in writing, which states whether or not their officers are required to wear seat belts. When a law enforcement agency is developing a safety belt policy, the agency shall consider the officer's safety, comfort, and convenience.


Added Ch. 33, Stats. 1990. Effective March 26, 1990.
And I know they don't have to wear them here!

[Got the Bug]

Our crack panel of experts continues the debate over click it or ticket.....

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[Dangerous Doug]

Sigh, again...

First, seat belt laws were enacted to help save lives. It's simply a good idea, made into law.

Second, when you DIDN'T get a ticket for not having your seatbelt on, the officer was just being nice. So they are being told to stop being so damn nice. Oh, well!

Third, if ANY officer has to decide between issuing a ticket for lack of seatbelt, OR responding to a 911 call, CLEARLY he will respond to the 911 call.


Driving to work today over highway 17, a notoriously curvy road from Santa Cruz to Silicon Valley, I was mystified by the density of the traffic. Usually, this is due to a slow-moving truck making it's way up the hill. No truck in sight. Just some green, non-descript Japanese sedan going 40 in a 50 mph zone. Traffic was backing up for abou 1/8 of a mile behind this guy. Everyone shifting lanes to the left to get around this guy. As I drove around I glanced in expecting to see a great grandmother or something. Nope. A guy my age, in his forties, READING WHILE DRIVING.

What a DS!

Yeah, he'd get a ticket for that...

DD

[Ibr8k4vetts]

I drive a simi truck for a living (about a 100,000 miles year) and always wear my seat belt! But when I get a ticket moving my car on my street and the cop ask if I live here as on my license you can't tell me it not about rising MONEY!!!

P.S. you would not believe the things I see on a daily basest!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Got the Bug

Our crack panel of experts continues the debate over click it or ticket.....

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20090603002633876

Doug, did you just make that? Otherwise, how timely.

What a waste of bandwidth.