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csx4910 01-23-2011 05:41 PM

New shelby hemi crate motor
 
Did anyone else stop by the shelby booth and see the prototype hemi crate motor? I spoke with them a little. It is the SBF 427 with Hemi head and produces about 700 hp. They plan on doing a lower profile intake or sidedraft fuel injection to be able to fit in under the hood of a csx car and start offering it as a crate motor down the road. The rep said they planned on having it out this summer.

Shelby starting to compete with Roush maybe? or he finally figured out how much money has made off putting thier motors in his cars over the last few years?
csx4910

Excaliber 01-23-2011 05:50 PM

More over on the GT40 site:

How much? If you have to ask... :)

http://www.gt40s.com/forum/gt40-tech...-sb-chevy.html

http://www.gt40s.com/forum/attachmen...9&d=1212354332

http://www.gt40s.com/forum/attachmen...7&d=1212354332

Ken Oikawa 01-23-2011 06:50 PM

Last post on GT40 forum thread was 11-22-08. No response since. :)

Excaliber 01-23-2011 06:52 PM

So whaddya think might have happened? Shelby bought the guy out? Different heads? What???

csx4910 01-23-2011 07:16 PM

I just know it was a monster looking motor. The valve covers were bigger than a dodge Hemi's( I mean a real one, not the one dodge is trying to pass off today as a hemi)

Karl Bebout 01-23-2011 07:28 PM

Ron and youse other 511 Roush owners: maybe shoulda waited to get one of these. Perhaps you wouldn't have had to wait those many months to get the engines running right, like you did with your Roush engines. How much more money could these cost over what you paid?

Excaliber 01-23-2011 07:32 PM

Quote:

....get the engines running right, like you did with your Roush engines.
I'm not a big Roush fan for various reasons, but I'm not sure Shelby can or will do it any better! Either way, it will cost considerably more, be less reliable and more difficult to tune than if KC did it.

tin-man 01-23-2011 07:51 PM

Excalibers comments seem to be spot on....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Excaliber (Post 1104828)
I'm not a big Roush fan for various reasons, but I'm not sure Shelby can or will do it any better! Either way, it will cost considerably more, be less reliable and more difficult to tune than if KC did it.

considering the CSX delivery saga, what makes anyone think Shelby's team is gonna be able to perform better on the hemi engines? Seems to me it takes a whole lota developement and cash to startup from scratch building engines, so perhasp he did buy somebody out. More is needed on this developing event, me thinks. I also think if a person is motivated by brand, Roush would trump Shelby for engines. Just my two cents. John AKA, tin-man

tin-man 01-23-2011 07:56 PM

Ron, did you get a picture of the completed engine?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by csx4910 (Post 1104821)
I just know it was a monster looking motor. The valve covers were bigger than a dodge Hemi's( I mean a real one, not the one dodge is trying to pass off today as a hemi)

I am beginning to realize that owning a Cobra is a never ending cash event. Roush 511, then the Cammer, awesome lookin beast, and now the Shelby hemi, so which is the best? tin-man:confused::confused:

Stentor 01-23-2011 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tin-man (Post 1104839)
considering the CSX delivery saga, what makes anyone think Shelby's team is gonna be able to perform better on the hemi engines? Seems to me it takes a whole lota developement and cash to startup from scratch building engines, so perhasp he did buy somebody out. More is needed on this developing event, me thinks. I also think if a person is motivated by brand, Roush would trump Shelby for engines. Just my two cents. John AKA, tin-man

Shelby already builds engines (with Shelby-branded components for engines).

http://www.carrollshelbyenginecompan...xcart/home.php:cool:

And as you know, you've got a Shelby block for your $50k Roush engine.:eek:

vector1 01-23-2011 08:13 PM

my guess those heads would be up around the 10K arena ready to run.

csx4910 01-23-2011 08:16 PM

Karl,
I would do a lot of things over again if I had the chance. I would of done a kirkham and I would of done a keith craft engine, the cammer wasn't available and I didnt know about kirkham back then. On top of it, John Panfil was a heckuva salesman. Nuff said

tin-man 01-23-2011 08:35 PM

Stentor, yes you are right.......
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stentor (Post 1104847)
Shelby already builds engines (with Shelby-branded components for engines).

http://www.carrollshelbyenginecompan...xcart/home.php:cool:

And as you know, you've got a Shelby block for your $50k Roush engine.:eek:

but I was under the impression the 'hemi' was a whole new engine re-configuration and a completly seperate build process over the current offerings. Whereas I got a Shelby "block" and Roush configured it into the 511.

Maybe I am totally wrong and if so, Mea Culpa with a whole bunch of apologies.

tin-man:o:o:o

Three Peaks 01-23-2011 08:42 PM

A couple years ago I saw a prototype set of hemi heads for a small block chevy. Can't remember the builder's name.
The guy manning the booth told me he was planning a building hemi heads for the small block Fords also.
At the time I think the heads were priced around $5500 or so.

These would make a really cool looking and powerful SBF, especially with an aluminum block but in the end why not just choose any number of great combos that are available now- 4.6 DOHC, 5.4 , Ford racings (and eveyone else these days) 408 or 427 small block, etc... Would these heads make enough additional horsepower to really be worth the expense or is it just to be able to be exclusive and say you had a hemi head SBF?

Bob

blykins 01-24-2011 02:45 AM

The bad news is that you have to have custom pistons made, custom rocker arms, etc.

I can make 700hp on a SBF without hemi heads. :)

Slither 01-24-2011 10:27 AM

The new 427 "Hemi" will be priced close to $40k. There is a running engine being installed in a CSX car at a local shop to Shelby Headquarters! To me, those massive heads make the engine look very short!!!

JBCOBRA 01-24-2011 01:08 PM

For 40 large, how about getting a Cammer?

Stentor 01-24-2011 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBCOBRA (Post 1104921)
For 40 large, how about getting a Cammer?

I am with you on that one!

rodneym 01-24-2011 02:39 PM

Seems like a lot of folks believe that the Cammer is the ultimate old skool Ford engine.

But it never had an official place in a Cobra as far as I know. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

What about all of our efforts to remain 'accurate', and I use that term loosely.

Does the Cammer get a pass for being such a BADA$$ FE?

Excaliber 01-24-2011 03:46 PM

Pffftt, silly question. :) Of course the Cammer get's a pass, it's a terrific choice for ANY FE project and well suited to a Cobra, any Cobra.

Lot's choices of FE heads out there, high rise, tunnel port, tunnel ram, OHC, all fit nicely and look great on an FE. Side oiler's in particular.


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