AZ Registration - Page 2

Mulv · #21 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 07:42 AM

You will not need a smog test on a specially constructed vehicle.
There is another issue that I was concerned about when I had my car and you are all on your own on this one...

You should be aware that the information given in several quotes about registering kit cars in Arizona are in fact wrong. I am referring to the price of the license plates, i.e. $23-. Although the DMV person may make the mistake of believing that the car is a 1965 for example, you should be aware that there are two different people involved in the assignment of a serial number and registration and that they do not speak to one another. What it comes down to is that you are committing tax fraud when you are asked the question "What year is the car?" by the registrar. Truthfully it is 2007 if it is this year that you are first registering it. Then they ask what it cost when new and many say "In 65 they were $7,000-" . In truth if it is $40K then the plate fee is about $700- per year on a depreciating scale. If it is $80K like a SuperFormance or Shelby , the fee is $1,400-. Paying $23- because the person does not question whether the car is new and of recent manufacture is pretty risky considering the hot water you can get into like having the title cancelled , huge penalties and potential jail time....

LMH · #22 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 08:26 PM

Thanks Mulv!
Larry

Cobrabill · #23 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 08:46 PM

Mulv-that happens in Kalifornia-Not Az.My car was registered as a 1965 Ford roadster in Kalifornia.Arizona simply put Special Construction in front of the year.I had no say in the matter.Therefore i am guilty of nothing.

LMH-i'm sure there are others on here who can tell you how to make sure the title says 1965 or earlier.

Dodging taxes is your civic duty.

Mulv · #24 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Mulv-that happens in Kalifornia-Not Az.My car was registered as a 1965 Ford roadster in Kalifornia.Arizona simply put Special Construction in front of the year.I had no say in the matter.Therefore i am guilty of nothing.

LMH-i'm sure there are others on here who can tell you how to make sure the title says 1965 or earlier.

Dodging taxes is your civic duty.

It may be a civic duty old chap but be sure of one thing - if the state ever audits your registration and they might, you will be in a lot of hot water regardless. There were only 300 427 Cobras ever. I'll bet there are 200 replicas in Arizona, so it won't take Houdini to figure out that these are newish...
Arizona has no money , like a lot of other states, check the lack of DPS officers due to this problem and a lot of other cash shortage stuff as well. Look what happened in California with the title washing thing to accomplish exactly the same thing- lower taxes and tax avoidance .. Do what you like, a deliberate omission is looked at as guilt under most jurisdictions, like you really thought your car was a 65? I am merely pointing out the downside, not just for Cobra guys but for all the 32 Fords made of plastic, GT 40's, 540K's etc. California figures it has been screwed for millions in license fees. How long do you reckon before AZ catches on? I myself cannot afford felony tax problems, it is just not that much money in relation to the cost of the car....

Take whatever risks you like LMH, I am just pointing out that it is more than a slightly grey area ....

Cobrabill · #25 (**permalink**) 01-15-2007, 09:58 PM

Felony tax evasion?Gimmee a friggin' break.Forgetting for the moment that Az.registers cars as the year that they REPLICATE. Unless you are asked what the car is worth and you LIE about it-you can't be charged with squat.I didn't omit ANYTHING.They took my Ca Title & reg and processed it without a word.Then she said $23.50 please.

Your figures are pointless as Cobras are not registered 427 or FIA-they are just Cobras.

cobrajo · #26 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007, 09:47 AM

I have built two cars in Az. both special construction, both cobra's, they asked the value both times. I told them one was about 35,000 and the other was 50,000, I had all my receipts and both times the charge was just the plate fee. If they are doing something wrong they are very consistent.

Joe

Mulv · #27 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Felony tax evasion?Gimmee a friggin' break.Forgetting for the moment that Az.registers cars as the year that they REPLICATE. Unless you are asked what the car is worth and you LIE about it-you can't be charged with squat.I didn't omit ANYTHING.They took my Ca Title & reg and processed it without a word.Then she said $23.50 please.

Your figures are pointless as Cobras are not registered 427 or FIA-they are just Cobras.

It was not my intention to anger you as evidently I have by casting doubt in your mind as to your position and for that I apologize. If you want to reassure yourself , why don't you call the DMV and tell them you have a brand new copy of a 1965 car and ask what is the plate fee on a $40,000 car?
The millions , by the way, are the cumulative plate fees on the 1000's of replica cars and not just Cobras. Due to your anger and that I can see where this is headed, why don't you just PM me from here?

You may wish to read this and ponder the same thing in Arizona:

http://www.oilstick.com/statetargets.htm

Regards

clinck · #28 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007, 02:41 PM

By the way,......Arizona is not broke. There's a millions in surplus in the treasury according th Arizona OMB....Budget is balanced too......

BPWilliams · #29 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007, 06:34 PM

Yes it's true...
What started out as a law for motorcycles quickly went over to cellector cars, I read the bill and there was mention of restricted milage and some other attempts to restrict use, but no smog is no smog...

BPWilliams · #30 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007, 06:41 PM

Sorry, read 1/2 a post...

I say that if they do not ask don't tell. The fastest was to avoid taxes is to own your own business. Note I said AVOID we all pay plenty ask the ones who give themselves midnight raises

Mulv, question.... Do you own your own business?

Mulv · #31 (**permalink**) 01-17-2007, 08:03 AM

Brian

Of course I have my own business, trailer anyone? I am not talking about avoiding taxes with legal incentives old boy, as you have sleuthed...

Cobrabill · #32 (**permalink**) 01-17-2007, 08:11 AM

Mulv,time for you to tune your "perception antenna".I am not angry.I can see where you're coming from,however.My experience and others says that isn't the way Az.DMV works.Sitting on my desk as i type this is the Az DMV code book.There ain't a damn thing in it about voluntary "disclosure".If they ask and you lie-different story.But the whole point here is that they DON'T ask.Nobody needs to throw "extra" money to the state(especially DMV).My point of "engaging" you is so that others don't throw away money.I have a friend in town who register his car as a 2003 Special Construction(and was subject to emisissions)When he could have registered it as a 1965 and be exempt.People need to be aware of how the system works.

steven566 · #33 (**permalink**) 01-17-2007, 09:02 AM

So has anyone actually been busted by the DMV for registering thier kit Cobra as a 65? I suppose if we keep talking about it they might start to catch on....

Mulv · #34 (**permalink**) 01-17-2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Mulv,time for you to tune your "perception antenna".I am not angry.I can see where you're coming from,however.My experience and others says that isn't the way Az.DMV works.Sitting on my desk as i type this is the Az DMV code book.There ain't a damn thing in it about voluntary "disclosure".If they ask and you lie-different story.But the whole point here is that they DON'T ask.Nobody needs to throw "extra" money to the state(especially DMV).My point of "engaging" you is so that others don't throw away money.I have a friend in town who register his car as a 2003 Special Construction(and was subject to emisissions)When he could have registered it as a 1965 and be exempt.People need to be aware of how the system works.

Ok , my mistake. I just didn't want to have an argument, I want to get along. Your friend was sent the wrong way, no question, because the 65 thing is legal and allowed as a replica. If you build a Noble or some other unique type that did not exist before smog laws then you have to comply. I am only speaking of tag fees and believe me , every state needs more dough.. or thinks that they do. I am glad we can disagree as car guys and not have to fight..

mikiec · #35 (**permalink**) 01-17-2007, 10:08 AM

I love a good discussion...............

Mike

Cobrabill · #36 (**permalink**) 01-17-2007, 12:51 PM

Steven-They(DMV) registered it as a 1965 Special Construction.I didn't have to do a bleeping thing.

Mike Brasfield · #37 (**permalink**) 01-17-2007, 05:01 PM

WOW...this has really turned into a "spirited discussion". Let me tell you where I am and maybe I can answer some questions after I visit the DMV.

I put my FFR on the road in Kalifornia April 2002. I believe it was the first year for the SB100. I went through all the registration issues everyone has since that time and had no trouble getting the title and license. The title reads Make: "SPCNS" YR: 2002, Date first sold: 00/00/0000. Class: FH, Body type: CV. I have been insured by AON Collector Car Insuance since that time.

Now the challenge. I called AON to have them transfer my address and coverage to AZ. The are no longer accepting new policies for Collector Cars. Even though I am a current customer they are going to cancel my insurance and will not issue me a new policy.

Thanks to Fitz (on this message string) I called Chubb Insurance and I'm in the process of getting new coverage for less than I was paying before. Now $225 per year for $0.00 deductible.

I am asking my old company to give me proof of insurance with my new AZ address. They gave me 30 days to get new insurance. With that proof I'm sure I can walk into the DMV and ask for AZ title and registration.

At this point I'm not sure what to expect. I think I will take the position of answering their questions after handing my old registration to them with a description of the car (1965 AC Ford Cobra replica). My back up plan to just to keep it registered in CA, although the fee is about $200. Not sure what to expect here.

However, I'd like to thank you guys for your comments and information. I was able to a good lead from Fitz on a new insurance carrier. (Thanks FItz).

Y-NOT · #38 (**permalink**) 01-17-2007, 05:34 PM

The only time you can specify a vehicle year is when you first have it titled. From then on it will be that year. There have ben several discussions about this on this forum.

Cobrabill · #39 (**permalink**) 01-17-2007, 05:41 PM

Mike- i have to agree with the above.All of my above posts are based on having prior paperwork showing a 1965 model year.SLIM and i do mean SLIM chance of getting it changed to a 65 if you bring enough documentation showing that it is indeed a relica of a 65 Cobra as a 2002 Cobra doesn't exist.And plead for their mercy that you were a victim of the Nazi regime of the peoples Republik of Kalifornia.

As a 2002,you don't even qualify for the new emissions exempt bill that went into effect Jan 1st.

Y-NOT · #40 (**permalink**) 01-17-2007, 06:22 PM

Cobrabill,

y-not (me) is Bill Gildersleeve, not Mike.. no problem!!! I did the AZ registration back in the dark ages..1997 I think. FFR #1180, the 180 th FFR. Have since registered a Ferrari 250 GTO replica as a 1962 Ferrari GTO without the SPCON. Talk to them and kiss whatever they need kissed.
Bill
P.S. Are you going to Knott's?