Mass-Flo systems

[byroncobra]

Further Merv

I noticed your enquiry re sidepipes a few posts ago. If you're interested in going with them I'm ordering a set of FF's in the next few days, happy to save you a few $ on freight of you want in.

[Merv and Sharon]

Thanks Greg. I think I will go for the Mass-Flo system too. It seems comprehensive and from what has been said - not that difficult. So let me know when you plan to order and we can perhaps save on some freight! The US and Aussie Dollar are as close as they are going to be I think.

I was not asking about side pipes but only interested in what they weighted.

Merv

[mcwho]

I am wondering if anyone has statistics that show for example before and after MPG figures or HP/Torque figures. How is the driveability after the conversion. is there no difference at all ?

Im just wondering, preferably for a small block 302 like the for racing engines.

[Blittleton]

If you are looking for more hp, I would stick with the carb. Mass Flo will give you more lower end torque and my experience more driveability. If you are looking for more mpg, the engine will be more efficient but again I don't own one of these type of cars for the milage per gallon. More like how many gallons per mile can I waste!

Bill

[Merv and Sharon]

I agree Bill! MY contribution to saving the planet from global warming and reduction of use of fossil fuels is to use as much as possible as fast as possible so we get to the point of having to use re-newables as soon as possible.

[Merv and Sharon]

Bill when you fitted the systems above, did you run into any problems with integrating the system with the standard EEC (A9L)? Or is that replaced completely? Second if one going to fit AFR or similar heads must that be done before fitting the Mass-Flo system?

Merv

[OZVENOM]

Hi guys Dennis stone is running a mass flow system which has worked and tuned it self no worries with the exception of super charging which requires a new afm /injectors and a tune chip.
we will find out soon how well it works with forced induction.
it is an easy to fit system though a bit of time spent routing the wire neatly will make for a better result.
OZ.

[Blittleton]

Originally Posted by Merv and Sharon

Bill when you fitted the systems above, did you run into any problems with integrating the system with the standard EEC (A9L)? Or is that replaced completely? Second if one going to fit AFR or similar heads must that be done before fitting the Mass-Flo system?

Merv

The Mass Flo is a stand alone systems. It will be seperate from your chassis side. You can add the heads later if you wish, but it would be easier to do all at once. That will be up to you.

Bill

[byroncobra]

Merv and gurus,

I'm wondering how much consideration I should give to the bottom end of my engine as well as the mass-flo and heads. Given that i have no idea of the history or mileage of the Mustang engine, and it's general operating condition, is it wise to replace all the top end with new induction gear and heads without pulling things apart in the block and checking bearings and goodness knows what else?

The guy I bought the engine from told me that it had been 'checked' over, the head removed and new rings and gaskets fitted.

[Mando]

Byroncobra, does that guy happen to be your brother? I didn't think so!
Question asked and answered.

Regards.

[Aussie Mike]

I've posted this before and I'm sure many of you have already seen it. Here's my take on the 4 barrel manifold carb look setup (but mine is an LS1 of course).

I'm using an Edelbrock Victor Jr manifold that comes factory plumbed for injectors. There are many manifolds available now that are factory machined for injectors.



The throttle body is also made by Edelbrock and flows 1000CFM. The really cool thing about it is that it uses the same Idle Air Motor and Throttle position sensor as the factory throttle body. This means it all looks like the factory setup to the factory ECU and all the connectors are the same. I have a MAFless or Speed Density tune in my ECU (Thanks Bobby). This means the injection system runs on just Throttle position and manifold pressure without the Mass Airflow Sensor.

I used the factory loom and just shortened and rerouted a few parts once I was happy it all worked.



My setup runs great and I'm very happy with it.

If you were running an aftermarket ECU like an Autronic or MOTEC you would be able to put this same style of setup on a Ford motor.

Cheers

[Gav]

But it still would not be as good Mike.

[byroncobra]

Mando

Given that many of us outside vic and nsw use donor engines, i thought canvasing where I should start looking for issues in regards to upgrades in performance might be of interest.

Sorry, to state what you consider to be obvious

BTW my brother knows nothing about engines

[Merv and Sharon]

Gregg, my advice and the experience of others is that the Ford small block bottom end is pretty bullet proof. Several have had them for many years and even raced them not touched the bottom end. I am thinking that I won't unless necessary.

Merv

[TUF-427]

Merv,

theirs a few of these mass flows kicking around Qld,

Mike Verner is running one also with great success.

You dont really need to buy the whole box and dice either if your already EEC4 injected,

It uses all the standard EEC4 Ecu,harness Distributor sensors etc which all can be reused,

Massflo is based around a Different Mass air Meter thats adapted to fit Above the Quad throttle body inside the filter,
this sensor is recalibrated to suit the ford Ecu Signal requirment for measuring the incoming air volume.
Alone prob wont make much more hp and will lose some low end torque over the Production long runner style intakes,
Combine it with alloy heads and a cam etc will wake the old girl up though..

And they look fantastic...

Chips and retuning only required once you want to increase the injector size,
which would be required if you did heads and cam etc..

[Merv and Sharon]

Many thanks Peter. Appreciated. I will talk with Michael in the new year. Have a great Christmas!

[stephen low]

Note the comment about being able to run on an EEC4 but what about the AU EEC5 computer?

Can the later model computer be tweaked as well to suit this system?

Cheers

Steve

[Merv and Sharon]

Mine is an A9L is that 4 or 3 EEC?

[TUF-427]

A9L is the 88-93 Mustang Manual ecu EEC4,
and the best one to have imho,
for tunability and acceptance to adaptive tune to engine modifications.
so your set there Merv.

Steve,
EEC5 starts to get a bit harder and once you get into Aussie Smartlock Ecus its sometimes best to retrofit the earlier Ecus ,as we have done in Ash Brights car.
Eb and ED pre smartlocks are essentially the same as their american cousins tho..

As far as your EEC5 AU Management it is very different,
running coilpacks,crank trigger and no distributor etc,wiring is different too,
in this instance your probably best to buy a full kit,
Retrofit then sell off all the Aussie specific stuff you dont need...

This will really depend on how good the Mass Flow Airmeter is calibrated to mimic the Ford factory original,

If they could guarantee their calibrations are the same as the AU meter I dont see why it couldnt work,

though the Ecu programming is far more complex in the later generation Ecus making them less forgiving,

even throttlebody airflow etc is taken into account in the programming which will be different with Massflo

[YerDugliness]

Originally Posted by Merv and Sharon

I wonder if that could be done with the existing manifold, or even if that would be a good idea ...
Merv

I'm thinking about building an 8.2" deck Clevor, called MasFlo and asked this very question, since they won't have a Clevor manifold. They said they could drill and tap my Clevor manifold for the injectors, no problems, and that the system would work just fine.

The only caveat was that the manifold needed to be a single plane manifold, not a dual plane. Seems all we have available here in the good ol' U. S. of A. is Edelbrock's dual plane offerings, might have to try to source a CHI manifold (UNLESS a B&A Track Boss should come up for sale).

Dugly