If your up for Rego in NSW - Read this.

[Philm]

Nice work Baz,

Have any ICVs been passed recently?

Phil

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Philm

Nice work Baz,

Have any ICVs been passed recently?

Phil

Not that I know of Phil. Talking to a Clubman owner the other day and he has been knocked back on over 50 issues. He thought he would get through first up too.


Baz

[boss290cobra]

seems they are cracking down on the engineers rather than the cars, 1 guy from newcastle has had his licence revoked and under investigation and another close by
hopefully mine isnt one of the guys they are looking at

[Merv and Sharon]

Seems that you guys from NSW will have to become Queenslanders. That could have other benefits ....

[boss290cobra]

yeah we'll win origin 3 and the series

[Wazza]

Originally Posted by boss290cobra

seems they are cracking down on the engineers rather than the cars, 1 guy from newcastle has had his licence revoked and under investigation and another close by
hopefully mine isnt one of the guys they are looking at

Any idea as to why these engineers are having trouble?

Not checking ?
Looking the other way ?
False paperwork?

I had heard the story that a couple were in some strife, but didn't have any idea as to what they were in trouble for !?

[boss290cobra]

from what i was told they have been under the microscope for a while, i dont actually think it is or would be looking the other way but definatley not enough paperwork and clarification as to what is outlined in the ADR's, looks like the more paperwork and reports sent to RTA the less likely you will be gone over with a fine tooth comb,

[Philm]

Is it possible to ask for an official postion from the RTA on the state of play with ICVs.

That way you can play the game on the same field.

Phil

[stephen low]

Baz

On the demister I sort of did the same thing, though I pre-cut the tube and on the upside down body heated the pipe to follow and sit in position on the underdash.

Then I made a fibreglass mould off the pipe in position and plan to glue this fibreglass version into location when I know what space I have to play with. I still have to glass ends onto the arrangement and add a tube to attach the hose to but this is all simple stuff.

Have fun!

[750hp]

Originally Posted by Wazza

Any idea as to why these engineers are having trouble?

It must be tough to be an engineer in this environment. It seems that the National Code of Practice is reasonably clear for ICV's, but mods to existing cars must be a minefield if you were an engineer.

How would you interpret the following if a customer came in looking for an LG modification code for their street car. The NCOP states "All work must be performed in accordance with recognised engineering standards. Cutting, heating, welding or bending of components should be avoided by choosing unmodified production components wherever possible."
Does that mean the owner can cut, heat, weld and bend to their heart's content (within "recognised engineering standards") if it wasn't possible to source bolt-on parts???

[OZCOBRA]

Originally Posted by 750hp

It must be tough to be an engineer in this environment. It seems that the National Code of Practice is reasonably clear for ICV's, but mods to existing cars must be a minefield if you were an engineer.

How would you interpret the following if a customer came in looking for an LG modification code for their street car. The NCOP states "All work must be performed in accordance with recognised engineering standards. Cutting, heating, welding or bending of components should be avoided by choosing unmodified production components wherever possible."
Does that mean the owner can cut, heat, weld and bend to their heart's content (within "recognised engineering standards") if it wasn't possible to source bolt-on parts???

Yep.......as long as the engineered std's of the original part can be replicated or enhanced and be performed by a suitably "QUALIFIED"person.

[Baz]

After 4 weeks of waiting, my Non Compliance Report was emailed to my Engineer and a copy sent to me. I am publishing this on the Forum for the information of those in NSW who are currently building an ICV and will be shortly having an RTA Inspection:-

ADR 3. Head restraint locking system not fitted to left and right front seat head restraints.

ADR 8. Side wind deflectors left and right - No standard markings.

ADR 11. Padded Sunvisors and mountings - Sharp edges.

ADR 13. Rear reflectors fitted to right and left sides are rectangular.

ADR 13. Directional indicator defective lamp telltale inoperative.

ADR 13. Centre high mount stop light was not visible - With roof attached.

ADR 21. Padded surface on instrument panel was not securely attached.

ADR 31. Components sourced from several different make and model vehicles -Provide all details.

ADR 42. Wiring at Battery isolation switch cables not secured at 600mm intervals.

ADR 42. Wiring harness directly above left engine pipe at rear of engine not located to prevent overheating damage.

ADR 42. Sharp edges at Sun Visor mountings.

ADR 42. Sharp edges at upper corners of windscreen at roof attachment points.

ADR 42. Sharp edges at switches located left of steering column.

ADR 42. Rear bumper bar ends were not turned towards the body of the vehicle.

ADR 42. Front wheels and tyres protrude from mudguards.

ADR 42. Standards markings not clearly legible on brake hoses.

ADR 42. Windscreen demister not fitted.

ADR 42. Tyre placard fitted to vehicle showed incorrect information.

ADR 43. Insufficient running clearance.

ADR 47. Triangular Rear reflectors fitted.

ADR 60. Centre high mounted stop lamp bulb replacement not possible without the use of special tools.

ADR 79. Both the inner and outer fuel filler caps are vented to atmosphere.

Other - Extensively Modified steering rack and adjustable tie rods. - Not included in Certificate.

Other - Fabricated steering intermediate shaft and universal joints between column and steering rack. - Not included in Certificate.

Other - Jaguar XJ front suspension major components are missing or replaced with unknown aftermarket items. - Not included in Certificate.

Other - Jaguar XJ rear suspension major components are missing or replaced with unknown aftermarket items. - Not included in Certificate.

No 'E' marking on Reversing Lamp.

No 'Unleaded Fuel Only' label fitted near the fuel cap.

In addition, the RTA requires my Engineer to :-

Supply further details in relation to all components utilised in the steering and suspension system, and include all modifications and all test results as per COP requirements.

Supply all test data for seat belt anchorages.

Supply test data for calibration of speedomenter at all required speeds.

Full ADR 31 testing required for brakes. master cyclinder and booster.

Explain the anomalies, errors or ommissions described in Certificate. Registration of the vehicle will be delayed until this matter is resolved.


Baz I love the RTA too Andrew.

[Tenrocca]

Wow - thats some list. Full ADR31 testing? what does that involve?

[Rebel1]

Bluddy hell Baz.

This shows the total hyprocracy of authorities when allowing hot rods to drive on public roads with the exemptions from ADR's they enjoy.

I suppose they excuse it by saying hot rods have restricted registration.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Tenrocca

Wow - thats some list. Full ADR31 testing? what does that involve?

BTW, I would say were f**ked.

Andrew,

I think they want us to re-do the Brake Test which won't be happening. Can't say too much here, but don't stand too close to the front of the fan if you know what I mean.

Baz

[schipps]

Originally Posted by Baz

After 4 weeks of waiting, my Non Compliance Report was emailed to my Engineer and a copy sent to me. I am publishing this on the Forum for the information of those in NSW who are currently building an ICV and will be shortly having an RTA Inspection:-

ADR 3. Head restraint locking system not fitted to left and right front seat head restraints.

ADR 8. Side wind deflectors left and right - No standard markings.

ADR 11. Padded Sunvisors and mountings - Sharp edges.

ADR 13. Rear reflectors fitted to right and left sides are rectangular.

ADR 13. Directional indicator defective lamp telltale inoperative.

ADR 13. Centre high mount stop light was not visible - With roof attached.

ADR 21. Padded surface on instrument panel was not securely attached.

ADR 31. Components sourced from several different make and model vehicles -Provide all details.

ADR 42. Wiring at Battery isolation switch cables not secured at 600mm intervals.

ADR 42. Wiring harness directly above left engine pipe at rear of engine not located to prevent overheating damage.

ADR 42. Sharp edges at Sun Visor mountings.

ADR 42. Sharp edges at upper corners of windscreen at roof attachment points.

ADR 42. Sharp edges at switches located left of steering column.

ADR 42. Rear bumper bar ends were not turned towards the body of the vehicle.

ADR 42. Front wheels and tyres protrude from mudguards.

ADR 42. Standards markings not clearly legible on brake hoses.

ADR 42. Windscreen demister not fitted.

ADR 42. Tyre placard fitted to vehicle showed incorrect information.

ADR 43. Insufficient running clearance.

ADR 47. Triangular Rear reflectors fitted.

ADR 60. Centre high mounted stop lamp bulb replacement not possible without the use of special tools.

ADR 79. Both the inner and outer fuel filler caps are vented to atmosphere.

Other - Extensively Modified steering rack and adjustable tie rods. - Not included in Certificate.

Other - Fabricated steering intermediate shaft and universal joints between column and steering rack. - Not included in Certificate.

Other - Jaguar XJ front suspension major components are missing or replaced with unknown aftermarket items. - Not included in Certificate.

Other - Jaguar XJ rear suspension major components are missing or replaced with unknown aftermarket items. - Not included in Certificate.

No 'E' marking on Reversing Lamp.

No 'Unleaded Fuel Only' label fitted near the fuel cap.

In addition, the RTA requires my Engineer to :-

Supply further details in relation to all components utilised in the steering and suspension system, and include all modifications and all test results as per COP requirements.

Supply all test data for seat belt anchorages.

Supply test data for calibration of speedomenter at all required speeds.

Full ADR 31 testing required for brakes. master cyclinder and booster.

Explain the anomalies, errors or ommissions described in Certificate. Registration of the vehicle will be delayed until this matter is resolved.


Baz I love the RTA too Andrew.

Barry,

I think you are blaming the wrong party here.

I read all you posted here and if I am not mistaken , your engineer has totally led you to the slaughter. Correct me if I am wrong???

Looks like the RTA was only doing what they are supposed to do. i.e. enforce the ADR's.

Looks like your engineer was being fairly lazy in his attempt to check your compliance with the relevant ADR's.

Just my 2 bobs worth

regards

[Inertia]

Yeah Baz, although I don't know if you have been 'led to slaughter' but to my way of thinking your engineer should have had you address most of the list you have there before going to the RTA for inspection. After all, that is what you paid him for for isn't it?

Did you get any feedback from your engineer on the list the RTA provided?

Cheers and keep up the good fight
Inertia

[Beejay]

Baz,

A lot of the items on that list are pretty basic, and in my opinion should have been picked up before you went for an inspection. My engineer certainly questioned or addressed most of those issues when I had my car done.

If you take on the RTA when they are only enforcing the ADR's then things could get messy.....


Cheers,

Ben

[boxhead]

I have to agree Ben, alot of it looks like stuff that engineer should have pointed out, I realise the testing is alot less strict up here, but I would expect even my engineer would have questioned alot of the items on that list.

Things like wheels poking from guards, miss match between tyres placard and tyres fitted, fuel vented to atmosphere (I am assuming charcoal canister non existant or not plumbed correctly), No E on reverse light.
Would have been pretty obvious items.
Also just remove screen and roof when presented for inspection would have addressed alot of the list.
I realise it was raining on the day and that is unfortunate timing, but with teh screen out then there would have been no option to fit the roof and a new inspection date or a covered transporter could have been used.

I am not having a crack at you Baz, but engineer is the one paid to check and advise you of all these options.

I would be chatting to him more than causing a hornets nest bun fight at the RTA.

[Zedn]

Baz,

Wow thats a big list. I suppose the positive thing is that you have a definate list that you can start crossing off.

With the brake test, was that because it wasnt done at 160Kph?

Also was the jag suspension issues due to aftermarket shocks and springs or was there more to it?

Cheers.