Another kirkham for sale on carsales

[Towmaster]

Originally Posted by sambo

Don't forget LCT of 33% on vehicles over 60k in value.

What if a Kirkham was disassembled in the States and the parts packed into a couple of different containers and imported as car parts over time. Is this a grey area or strictly illegal?

A very knowledgeable gentleman once told another not so knowledgeable gentleman to do this so he did and arguably saved a bit of money. Then the second gentleman got a bit jack of the first gentleman asking for payment for works done on said vehicle and decided to go it alone. I believe the two said gentlemen are still discussing whteher this will be settled with pistols at 40 PACEs or a handshake. Said vehicle is , I believe, still awaiting compliance based on engine choice?

[boxhead]

I see what you did there Ash.

[Donunder]

Originally Posted by Towmaster

I believe the two said gentlemen are still discussing whether this will be settled with pistols at 40 PACEs ....

Or ... they could go back to mediaeval times and have a joust, on horseback, clad in chain mail fashioned from some exotic ALLOY, and conducted before the knights and fair damsels of CAMMERlot.

Or even, now that the gauntlets have been cast down, they could have an arm wrestle across a round table and have King Arthur (now commonly known as Sir Wazza) proclaim the victor.

Then the cheering loyal subjects, (now commonly known as the Qld Cobra Club) will journey to their fair land of Red Rock, wherein they will partake of copious amounts of piss (now commonly known as XXXX Gold), and PeACE will once more reign upon the land.

[Wazza]

Now now boys....you've caused enough DAMAGE for one day....

[jcraigau]

Isn't the LCT only on new vehicles?

[damage]

yeh yeh yeh funny bunch of C U oN Tuesdays, I believe said gentleman (who was told he knew f'all) got sick of the PACE at which said Kirkham was being worked on and decided to go it alone. At the time he did not care for the amount of money that was bartered to to assemble the car but fell for the old it'll be ready in 2 weeks line (multiple times) so I guess he was really an idiot to believe such person who knows all who now seems to know bugger all.

Said engine choice is not the hold up for compliance my day job is the hold up there. But thanks for the concern.

[Tonus72]

Not nearly enough of the ye olde worlde english Damage

Quick - back on thread !!!!!!

[damage]

Yeh I know ye olde torrets started to kick in

[Modena]

so, in Victoria, when you take your ICV for full reg you are considered a new car, and you need to pay stamp duty on the value of the car. Stamp duty and rego costs are of course highly variable around the country.

Luxury Car Tax is applied at point of sale, not point of registration, so LCT does not apply to an ICV. Even if VicRoads/you determine that your ICV has a "value" of 200K and you pay stamp duty on that amount, LCT does not even exist in a VicRoads system.

I have no f'in idea what the state of play is in QLD, but I'm sure the LCT part will be the same.

[750hp]

LCT applies and is payable at the same time as when you pay your customs and GST. This all starts when you gain fed gov't import approval, and is paid before you collect your car from the wharf / logistics company.

To that end, I agree that a car already imported into the country as a complete car should have been hit with LCT, but if it was imported as parts I guess that overcomes the cost.

Originally Posted by Modena

so, in Victoria, when you take your ICV for full reg you are considered a new car, and you need to pay stamp duty on the value of the car. Stamp duty and rego costs are of course highly variable around the country.

Luxury Car Tax is applied at point of sale, not point of registration, so LCT does not apply to an ICV. Even if VicRoads/you determine that your ICV has a "value" of 200K and you pay stamp duty on that amount, LCT does not even exist in a VicRoads system.

I have no f'in idea what the state of play is in QLD, but I'm sure the LCT part will be the same.

[Towmaster]

I had that problem when I first registered my car. They wanted to know how much I paid for my car to assess the stamp duty. I said I built it I didn't buy it... She didn't know what to do. I said I bought this bit which was $3,500.... She said that will do. That was the wreck I bought for the engine... LOL

[Simonoz]

Guys
Im wondering if I can ask for some help here.
The two Kirkhams for sale in Victoria specifically.

Id like to licence one of them in WA, and Im trying to com to grips with which one has the best chance of success, if either.

One is the 2012 build ex David Rodd, with the Keith Craft engine.
If I get an Engineers report can I licence it here in WA?
What will the Engineer require?
Third stop light, headrests, EFI?

The other is the white car, titled 1965 in the US, LHD, and has a 427 side oiler.
It would seem to pass the regs for pre 1989 LHD rego in WA?

Any advice please?
Im not looking for advice on prices, just the rego aspect at this point.

PM's are welcome if you would prefer.
I might look like Johnny Come Lately, as I havent been on this forum, but I have a long history of serial offences with classic cars, especially in the Ford and Porsche worlds, and I'll be discreet with any advice.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Simonoz

Guys
Im wondering if I can ask for some help here.
The two Kirkhams for sale in Victoria specifically.

Id like to licence one of them in WA, and Im trying to com to grips with which one has the best chance of success, if either.

One is the 2012 build ex David Rodd, with the Keith Craft engine.
If I get an Engineers report can I licence it here in WA?
What will the Engineer require?
Third stop light, headrests, EFI?

The other is the white car, titled 1965 in the US, LHD, and has a 427 side oiler.
It would seem to pass the regs for pre 1989 LHD rego in WA?

Any advice please?
Im not looking for advice on prices, just the rego aspect at this point.

PM's are welcome if you would prefer.
I might look like Johnny Come Lately, as I havent been on this forum, but I have a long history of serial offences with classic cars, especially in the Ford and Porsche worlds, and I'll be discreet with any advice.

Simple... Neither but then again either...
It's as easy as complying any other ICV, many will tell you that isn't easy nor cheap.

[boxhead]

The car titled as a 65 will have no proof of registration before 1989 (or whatever year). this was a loop hole that a few cars got through on, but this hole has since been sewn up.

They will both be as difficult as each other, although WA and NT are the most relaxed as far as ADR rules and interpretation of those rules go.

But neither would be "easy".

[soulman]

Originally Posted by Simonoz

Guys
Im wondering if I can ask for some help here.
The two Kirkhams for sale in Victoria specifically.

Id like to licence one of them in WA, and Im trying to com to grips with which one has the best chance of success, if either.

One is the 2012 build ex David Rodd, with the Keith Craft engine.
If I get an Engineers report can I licence it here in WA?
What will the Engineer require?
Third stop light, headrests, EFI?

The other is the white car, titled 1965 in the US, LHD, and has a 427 side oiler.
It would seem to pass the regs for pre 1989 LHD rego in WA?

Any advice please?
Im not looking for advice on prices, just the rego aspect at this point.

PM's are welcome if you would prefer.
I might look like Johnny Come Lately, as I havent been on this forum, but I have a long history of serial offences with classic cars, especially in the Ford and Porsche worlds, and I'll be discreet with any advice.

Easy,

Just buy mine.

It's legally registered as a 65!

Soul.

[damage]

I'm still on my learning curve with this stuff and have no idea what your compliance for WA is like but from my own experience undertaking the modifications on my own KIRKHAM for rego in QLD the changes are not that hard or that expensive. (not expensive in the overall context of what the car costs).

Some will tell you its difficult and and lots of work but it isnt full stop.

The biggest compliance issue is the engine and meeting emissions the easiest way around that is to put the engine on LPG (not sure if this is the same for WA)

$285,000 is a big ask because the car was titled 65 and then might get knocked back. You didn't mention if it had been titled 65 and full registered then reverted back to club rego I'm sure that would make some sort of difference. If memory serves me correct there was a white Kirkham that was full registered and advertised for sale about 5 years ago it may be the same one.

The other thing is the later model cars are built a lot nicer then they used to be (obviously with the advancement of Kirkham)

Any idea what build number the 2012.

Another consideration would be to just buy a new one direct from Kirkham because they now make them with the wiring harnesses and a lot of the other modifications already made to suit Australian compliance. Your call on this because a new one will cost about the same as the 2012 car by the time you land it here etc.

[750hp]

Originally Posted by boxhead

The car titled as a 65 will have no proof of registration before 1989 (or whatever year). this was a loop hole that a few cars got through on, but this hole has since been sewn up.

For as long as state transport departments register a car by year of manufacture, the discrepancy with 1965 registered cars can only last as long as it takes for them to run an audit on "Cobra" and "1965". Even now, it's possible that an admin person in Canberra might inadvertently issue import approval for a "1965 Cobra", allowing another one to be registered as such. I can't imagine how someone could provide any legitimate paperwork to support the application, but that's another story. Once the numbers of such a rare and valuable car grow to a point on a database, surely an audit will determine who had paid sufficient import duty and stamp duty. If the fed and state govt then identify the discrepancy, it's going to get interesting.

If you're committing the kind of money to get a Kirkham, I can't imagine you'd want to be waiting for the tap on the shoulder and the "please explain" from the government.

Any advice on the forum can only be taken in the context of the applicable state. If it takes a few bucks to sit down with an engineer who has taken WA locals through the process, it would seem like money well spent to get the info from the horses mouth.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by 750hp

If it takes a few bucks to sit down with an engineer who has taken WA locals through the process, it would seem like money well spent to get the info from the horses mouth.

That there is pretty much the best tip you'll ever get.

You might also want to follow up with RMC in WA.
They have had 2 they've been trying to register for a few years.
Talking to them could give you some insights into their headaches and how they have gone about negotiating them.

[Simonoz]

Thank you to you all for the sage advice.
I've made some progress today with this and when I'm sure of the facts I will post them up here for posterity.
Its getting interesting!

[Chook]

Hi Simonoz,

Welcome first of all. I've got two suggestions - go to the WA roads authority and ask them for a list of engineers or search the website. Then I'd discuss with a few of them if they would be interested in travelling to inspect the vehicle and do a list of changes or modifications to pass rego. Work out a cost for this and see if it is worth it?

Secondly I'd go to a WA cobra meet and pick their brains. I spotted a cobra I liked for the price and called the president directly and he organised a member to inspect the vehicle. It turned out that it wasn't to be, but the point is that they were ever so helpful and willing to assist. It would be worth discussing with them what engineers they would suggest. Like wise with RMC, Gfprce etc.

Best of luck and keep the updates coming through.