review of NSW Conditional registration?

[Zedn]

Guys,

I was on the NSW RMS website the other day and there was a note on the registration page saying that a review of the conditional scheme has been undertaken and a paper produced making recommendations for improvement. It said the paper was available for comments from interested parties and was closing at the end of September. When i clicked on the link it just took me to the conditional rego page and no paper.

I emailed them asking where i could get the paper and havnt had a response.

Now the note has been taken down from the website and there is nothing about it.

Does anyone know about this and what they considering? Could we be getting the VIC scheme?

[xb-60]

Originally Posted by Zedn

Guys,

I was on the NSW RMS website the other day and there was a note on the registration page saying that a review of the conditional scheme has been undertaken and a paper produced making recommendations for improvement.....
Does anyone know about this and what they considering? Could we be getting the VIC scheme?

What's the difference between yours and theirs? We (SA) would dearly love something that included Cobra replicas in the Conditional Registration scheme.

Cheers,
Glen

[dhs.buckley]

Originally Posted by Zedn

Guys,

I was on the NSW RMS website the other day and there was a note on the registration page saying that a review of the conditional scheme has been undertaken and a paper produced making recommendations for improvement. It said the paper was available for comments from interested parties and was closing at the end of September. When i clicked on the link it just took me to the conditional rego page and no paper.

I emailed them asking where i could get the paper and havnt had a response.

Now the note has been taken down from the website and there is nothing about it.

Does anyone know about this and what they considering? Could we be getting the VIC scheme?

Yes, is the answer from what I got from our car club meeting a couple of weeks ago, they are going to trial a scheme like vic, as in 45 or 90 day log book system. also it will be more expensive than the current system as well.

[Treeve]

Owning a classic car just got better

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Treeve

Owning a classic car just got better

"To qualify for the two year trial the vehicles must be at least 30 years old, meet the safety requirements of full registration and ..."

Raises more questions than it answers....

Good luck! I hope sensibility prevails for all our NSW brothers.

[Treeve]

No chance. This is actually tougher than the old scheme - now you have to get a blue or pink slip; which many old clubs didn't need to worry about. And if your car needs an engineers certificate, well you've got to get one. Pretty hard to prove it under the old scheme, as it was down to the clubs what they would accept.

Be careful what you ask for when it comes to government.

[Zedn]

Will be interesting to see what happens. I am going to do full rego regardless as the car will be worth more and who knows what rules will change.

[dhs.buckley]

Also there is an issue with ICV's in NSW new scheme,i was told that they have to be over 30 years old as well. Apparently my cobra now does not qualify for club plates with our club which is cross border so NSW and VIC club rego, as somthing to do with the full RWC that came in this year with vic.
I dont mind keeping it on full rego, but i wish they would stop hiking up the bloody vic rego every year.

[Gav]

I went to my local club meeting last night, one of the topics was NSW club reg as we are on the border we have several NSW members.
From what I can tell there is to be a two year trial of a system similar to the Vic system with log books and you will be able to use the car for private use not just club runs or maintenance trips.
It's not all beer and skittles though, cars on club reg are being scrutinized much more now and existing modified cars in the scheme are being made to be engineered.
ICV's are a sub group of the scheme and cobra's don't need to be 30years old as they are replicates. To get an ICV on club reg it still needs to have been engineered.

[Treeve]

It's historic rego not club rego, so it's for vehicle's over 30 years old.

[xb-60]

I'm confused with what you guys (Vic and NSW) currently have for Cobra replicas.
Can someone enlighten me?

We (SA) have Conditional (historic) Registration for non-modified cars that are over 30 years old. This has been tightened in the last couple of years, with a stat. dec. required every year along with current club membership, and this entitles the owner to a max. of 90 days per year on a log book.
An inspection of the car by the club's nominated historic registrars is required every three years.
The scrutiny is justified as it ensures that a car is standard, or close to it, and any significant mods are (and should be) subjected to 'engineering'. Seems fair to me, particularly taking into account the minute registration/insurance cost.

So back to my question - what is available for Cobra replicas in Vic. and NSW?

Cheers,
Glen

[Gav]

Originally Posted by Treeve

It's historic rego not club rego, so it's for vehicle's over 30 years old.

Not completely true at Treeve.
Historic plates are for cars over 25 years old or replica's of vehicles over 25 years in Vic.
NSW rules stipulate 30 years but I think you will find they will accept replica's too if they are looking at trialing a system like the Victorian log book system.

[Gav]

Originally Posted by xb-60

I'm confused with what you guys (Vic and NSW) currently have for Cobra replicas.
Can someone enlighten me?

We (SA) have Conditional (historic) Registration for non-modified cars that are over 30 years old. This has been tightened in the last couple of years, with a stat. dec. required every year along with current club membership, and this entitles the owner to a max. of 90 days per year on a log book.
An inspection of the car by the club's nominated historic registrars is required every three years.
The scrutiny is justified as it ensures that a car is standard, or close to it, and any significant mods are (and should be) subjected to 'engineering'. Seems fair to me, particularly taking into account the minute registration/insurance cost.

So back to my question - what is available for Cobra replicas in Vic. and NSW?

Cheers,
Glen

In Vic an engineered Cobra is eligible for Historic registration of either 45 or 90 days use per year.

[gjkrv8]

Here's the Vic references:

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/regi...-a-club-permit

Quote: (note last sentence)

A club permit can be issued to the vehicles in the following categories.

Veteran vehicles – manufactured before 1 January 1919
Vintage vehicles – manufactured after 31 December 1918 and before 1 January 1931
Classic and Historic vehicles - manufactured after 31 December 1930, but more than 25 years before the date of the application for a club permit.
These categories can include trailers, heavy vehicles, left hand drive vehicles and modified vehicles such as street rods. Replicas of vehicles in the categories above may also be issued with a club permit.

cheers

Gregg

[Modena]

Originally Posted by Gav

In Vic an engineered Cobra is eligible for Historic registration of either 45 or 90 days use per year.

the car does not need to be engineered, it needs a club safety officer to sign off that it is safe for highway use, and requires a roadworthy.

[deano59]

i started writing a post but lost it somehow so here is version 2 lol.

ive been pondering this subject for a while and with talk around the club about how good vic have it with there cobras , so with some indepth thinking ive come to the conclusion it's not so bad in sa as it is .the reasons been sure when you build your car it has to be engineered ie lane change steering and brake test not a bad thing really in my view then it has to go to regency for a one of inspection unless they find something wrong .
but once thats done thats it no pink or blue slips no yearly inspections you can lay the car up for a while and re register your car online or walk in to any rego dept . i can tell rego i wont need my car for 9 months and they wont take my plate if you tell them first. and come summer i can rego it for 3 months for summer and put it back into the shed for winter .
so for the hassle of club rego or historic rego i think i would prefer things how they are here in sa just my views only .
cheers deano

[xb-60]

Deano, I paid the registration cost for my Historic vehicle around a month ago, and it cost me $247 for three years, so that's around what it would cost to register a V8 for three months in SA, yes?

(For what it's worth, I think all vehicles should have to pass 'engineering', but I don't think that restricted registration vehicles should have to pass emissions testing)

Cheers,
Glen

[deano59]

Originally Posted by xb-60

Deano, I paid the registration cost for my Historic vehicle around a month ago, and it cost me $247 for three years, so that's around what it would cost to register a V8 for three months in SA, yes?

(For what it's worth, I think all vehicles should have to pass 'engineering', but I don't think that restricted registration vehicles should have to pass emissions testing)

Cheers,
Glen

i dont think our cobras meet the criteria that your alfa does tho so im not sure our icv and replica cobras would even come under the historic rego scheme.
and as for emissions our cars have to meet todays standards not when a cobra was build in the 60's otherwise i would love some quad webbers under the hood of my pace .
i guess if our cars have full engineering and non of the blue /pink/ slip scheme that cant be a bad thing ......on another note any news on how your car is coming along ?
cheers dean

[Gav]

Originally Posted by Modena

the car does not need to be engineered, it needs a club safety officer to sign off that it is safe for highway use, and requires a roadworthy.

That system ended about 6 months ago Ben.
A Cobra or any replica going into club reg' needs to be engineered and a roadworthy certificate.
The same goes for modified production cars, for example a V8 powered LJ Torana, however an engineered replica will still have 'H' plates where as a modified production car will have 'M' plates.

[Modena]

Originally Posted by Gav

That system ended about 6 months ago Ben.
A Cobra or any replica going into club reg' needs to be engineered and a roadworthy certificate.
The same goes for modified production cars, for example a V8 powered LJ Torana, however an engineered replica will still have 'H' plates where as a modified production car will have 'M' plates.

The "old" way was simply a club safety sign-off. The new way is the club safety sign-off AND a roadworthy. There is no engineering required.

You may be referring to this extract from the below;

https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/regi...1-january-2015

• New modification guidelines specified in the Guidelines for modifications to vehicles operated under Victoria’s Club Permit – Vehicle Standards Information No. 33 (VSI33) [PDF 296 kb] apply.
• If an initial club permit application is submitted for a vehicle that is modified outside of the appropriate modification guidelines, a Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme (VASS) approval certificate covering the modifications must be provided with the permit application.

So yes if your vehicle is modified outside the guidelines, you will need engineering (VASS). A "typical" Cobra replica is not considered modified. It is a replica of a 1965 427 SC Cobra. It has 4 wheel disc brakes, a V8, a roadster style with replicated body, and all the other things that (fairly) accurately replicate a 1965 Cobra. The scheme does not consider a Cobra (the Cobras typical of yours and mine) to be modified in this sense. If you were to make your Cobra 4WD, rear-engined or some other madness then it would be seen as modified from what an original Cobra was and would need engineering.

Under CPS this is not an ICV, it is a replica of a Cobra and the CPS considers it a Cobra.

That is my understanding anyway!