Absolute Pace

Go Back   Club Cobra > Club Forums > Australian Cobra Club

Welcome to Club Cobra!  The World's largest non biased Shelby Cobra related site!

  •  » Representation from nearly all Cobra/Daytona/GT40 manufacturers
  •  » Help from all over the world for your questions
  •  » Build logs for you and all members
  •  » Blogs
  •  » Image Gallery
  •  » Many thousands of members and nearly 1 million posts! 

YES! I want to register an account for free right now!  p.s.: For registered members this ad will NOT show

Keith Craft Racing
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Main Menu
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
Keith Craft Racing
Keith Craft Racing
MMG Superformance
December 2024
S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31        

Kirkham Motorsports

Like Tree2Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 01:45 AM
302cobra's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: Modified DRB 2000, 302 Windsor
Posts: 480
Not Ranked     
Default This has been asked 1000's of times, but I'm gonna ask it again anyway!!!

This has been asked 1000's of times, but I'm gonna ask it again anyway!!!

Purely speaking on body shape, which kit manufacturer has the most accurate (to original) 427 body shape??? Dont be put off replying when you read this, cos there are more questions below!!!

Also, which kit do you think has the nicest looking body shape?? Also some kits have features (obviously) that other kits dont have. What does another kit have that you wish your's did have?? And vice-versa, what does yours have that you wish it didnt?? This can be body-wise, chassis-wise, whatever.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 04:43 AM
Batman's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Noble Park, Vic
Cobra Make, Engine: RMC, 302Windsor HO Stock
Posts: 78
Not Ranked     
Default

I sometimes wish mine had come with a willing blonde and an esky.
I quite like the shape of the RMC (what I have) as the back doesn't sit too high like some. There is also a couple bodies that are off centre by over 40mm. I know the originals were hand made & thus not symmetrical anyway, but I think they were closer than that.
I think the options are fairly similar across the board.
Cheers
Batman
__________________
Please have some sympathy for the HP challenged
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 05:59 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Brisbane Australia, QLD
Cobra Make, Engine: RMC under re-construction, GenIV with tremec 600, Jag 3.31 L/S diff
Posts: 3,318
Not Ranked     
Default

Tuff question as beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

and....

Who's to say whats exactly original and whats not, given the differences of the originals.

I like the RMC because it has whats attractive to me....there are very fine details I notice between kits which are impossible to explain but easy to see when two cars are sitting side by side and those details are pointed out.

That means, I like the RMC, the Harrison, and the G-force. All similiar bodies.

What I don't like about the RMC was the longer narrower scoop. Thats been replaced on mine with a copy of the original scoop. That has been corrected on the other two similiar bodies.

Mine came with the le-mans filler well in the wrong place..now relocated further back to where it should be.

Things I would change include cutting off the chassis forward of the front suspension mountings to enable the installation of a radiator which is more upright or leaning back at the top rather than leaning forward at about a 45 degree angle.

Moulding a recess into the front right inner wheel well for the power brake booster rather than have the booster exposed behind the front wheel and also cutting the tops of the footboxes for the wider 351 allowing more room to get the left back spark plugs out.

Mind you, most of these modifications have been made to the harrison and the new body for the g-force so my above comments are only relative to an older RMC.

Having said all that....The RMC has a shape which appeals to me from all angles.

EDIT: I dont agree with the Blond suggestion.....I really couldn't care what colour her hair is/was.
justcobra likes this.
__________________
It's impossible to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys.

Last edited by Rebel1; 04-03-2005 at 06:04 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 11:58 AM
Yetiman's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: SE Wisconsin, Wi
Cobra Make, Engine: Arntz/SBC/Jag
Posts: 1,033
Not Ranked     
Default

"Also, which kit do you think has the nicest looking body shape?? "

The one in my garage, naturally !
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 02:00 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: rocky river, Oh
Cobra Make, Engine: Unique 289FIA / SA 351W / a truly glorious machine
Posts: 3,949
Not Ranked     
Default Re: This has been asked 1000's of times, but I'm gonna ask it again anyway!!!

[quote]Originally posted by 302cobra


[b]This has been asked 1000's of times, but I'm gonna ask it again anyway!!!

10,000 times......
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 04:36 PM
computerworks's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
Lifetime Contributor
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Northport, NY
Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
Posts: 10,362
Not Ranked     
Default

Moved to the Australian Cobra Club Forum...
This question has sure been done and overdone on the global board.

Let's see how it fares...with input from 302's locals and the down-under-kits.

Ron
ClubCobra Moderator
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 05:18 PM
David Hodgson's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Canberra, ACT
Cobra Make, Engine: G-Force Cobra '68 302, T-5, Jag 3.77 LSD.
Posts: 993
Not Ranked     
Default

In Aus, I think the Python (taken from an Arntz) Dax, G-force all have great lines, as close as to orig, RMC also good but has lost some flare on rear guard, also RC Sports car, and Byan's at Homebush comes up quite good, some others seem to have gotten to refined, but if you had never seen one before, any one of them would be instant woody material.
__________________
SLIPRY
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 06:14 PM
Aussie Mike's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Sunbury, VIC
Cobra Make, Engine: Rat Rod Racer, LS1 & T56
Posts: 5,391
Not Ranked     
Default

I could be biased but in my opinion The Classic Revival has the most accurate 427 S/C shape of the down under kits.

When you have a look at one check out the shape of the front flares and the correct lip on the rear guards.

There was an article in Australian Classic Car a while back that had a comparison between a real 427 and a CR. Once you look past the modern 17" wheels with a shallow dish on the CR the bodies are very close.

Cheers
__________________
Mike Murphy
Melbourne Australia

Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 06:27 PM
David Hodgson's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Canberra, ACT
Cobra Make, Engine: G-Force Cobra '68 302, T-5, Jag 3.77 LSD.
Posts: 993
Not Ranked     
Default

I can see this could get worse than the ford v chev debate.
__________________
SLIPRY
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 06:45 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Perth, WA
Cobra Make, Engine: G-Force, 2002 200kW Ford 302 Windsor, Tremec 5-Speed
Posts: 23
Not Ranked     
Default

i dont know, having never seen an original 427, but the G-Force mold was originally taken off a real 427.. so it would have to be close.. his new body he claims that hes made it 100% symmetrical (as the orginals were hand rolled they werent)

so this is why we chose G-Force.. plus his fibreglassing is very straight and clean. better than the other kits i have seen that arent straight (even in their demo model)

my two bobs worth
__________________
Expert in Training
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 06:48 PM
dblbarrel's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ferndale, WA
Cobra Make, Engine: SPF2089
Posts: 460
Not Ranked     
Default

Beats me.
__________________
dblbarrel
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 08:38 PM
David Hodgson's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Canberra, ACT
Cobra Make, Engine: G-Force Cobra '68 302, T-5, Jag 3.77 LSD.
Posts: 993
Not Ranked     
Default

[quote]Originally posted by minivan


[b]i dont know, having never seen an original 427, but the G-Force mold was originally taken off a real 427..

minivan... Did Rob Grave tell you that? I was told G-Force was flopped off a DAX, and I believe this as I had Ralph_C's DAX in my shed last week to do some measuring for his rear guard protectors, and they both had identicial guards, wheelarch's, scoop, and the best give away was the rear indicator mounting surfaces are not in the same plane verticaly. If you have the latest G-Force body check to see if this has been rectified.

Maybe the reference he makes is that the DAX was flopped off an original, thus the G-Force too.
__________________
SLIPRY
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 08:38 PM
David Hodgson's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Canberra, ACT
Cobra Make, Engine: G-Force Cobra '68 302, T-5, Jag 3.77 LSD.
Posts: 993
Not Ranked     
Default

[quote]Originally posted by minivan


[b]i dont know, having never seen an original 427, but the G-Force mold was originally taken off a real 427..

minivan... Did Rob Grave tell you that? I was told G-Force was flopped off a DAX, and I believe this as I had Ralph_C's DAX in my shed last week to do some measuring for his rear guard protectors, and they both had identicial guards, wheelarch's, scoop, and the best give away was the rear indicator mounting surfaces are not in the same plane verticaly. If you have the latest G-Force body check to see if this has been rectified.

Maybe the reference he makes is that the DAX was flopped off an original, thus the G-Force too.
__________________
SLIPRY
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 09:22 PM
Aussie Mike's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Sunbury, VIC
Cobra Make, Engine: Rat Rod Racer, LS1 & T56
Posts: 5,391
Not Ranked     
Default

The Dax has been around for a long time. I have a feeling it came from that original Arntz replica as well.

Over time all the kit manufacturers have tweeked their moulds and body shapes. They have all now evolved into their own interpretations of the original.

Cheers
justcobra likes this.
__________________
Mike Murphy
Melbourne Australia

Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 09:43 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Brisbane Australia, QLD
Cobra Make, Engine: RMC under re-construction, GenIV with tremec 600, Jag 3.31 L/S diff
Posts: 3,318
Not Ranked     
Default

Hey Mike...can I share your marshmellows?
__________________
It's impossible to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys.
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 09:47 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Cobra Make, Engine: RCM, 4 wheels, two doors
Posts: 704
Not Ranked     
Default

302 Cobra,

I'd agree with Les (Rebel1); beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you have a close look at different makes you will find many differences. Some are minor, some aren't. For example, some kits are very flat across the boot wereas others are quite raised and curve more. There are differences in the length of the rear qtr panel, wheel arches, hood scoops, doors etc etc. IMHO some kits looks right and some not so right. But they're all fibreglass so if you are happy with most of it you can always modify the parts you aren't satisfied with. Most kits are not symmetrical as neither were the originals. But you would need a keen eye or be told where the faults were.

In fact everybody born has an asymmetrical face. If you were to take a photo of your face and split it vertically down the centre and then reverse the images on either side you will have 3 difference faces altogether!

Anbody tried that with a Cobra??

Last edited by NASSTY; 04-03-2005 at 09:55 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 09:49 PM
David Hodgson's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Canberra, ACT
Cobra Make, Engine: G-Force Cobra '68 302, T-5, Jag 3.77 LSD.
Posts: 993
Not Ranked     
Default

I didn't get out the matches, just given it a light puff with the bellows.

Pass the marshmallows please.
__________________
SLIPRY
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 09:59 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Cobra Make, Engine: RCM, 4 wheels, two doors
Posts: 704
Not Ranked     
Default

Roman candle anyone?
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2005, 10:26 PM
Aussie Mike's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Sunbury, VIC
Cobra Make, Engine: Rat Rod Racer, LS1 & T56
Posts: 5,391
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Rebel1


Hey Mike...can I share your marshmellows?
Pink or White?
__________________
Mike Murphy
Melbourne Australia

Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 04-04-2005, 09:12 PM
BMK's Avatar
BMK BMK is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Australia, Zzz
Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby alum 468 block
Posts: 14,974
Not Ranked     
Default

Aussie Mike,

Marshmellows..

Bernie
__________________
Bernie Knight
KMS 427 #662 Shelby 468 CSX 1026
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy