Sway Bars

[boxhead]

Sounds good to me Phil

[jess]

Phil you are the man
thanks heaps for organising this i'll give michael a ring tommorow and order one of him this is the last major part i need before i can take it to get engineered can't wait had a few test drives in the driveway and it feeels awesome need a proper alignment before i take it on the road although it looks a bit dorky at the moment with the increased ride height so the rego kit exhaust meets ground clearance specs
one thing i have noticed dont know if you guys have experienced the same thing but it appears that i have more rear camber adjustment on the right than i do on the left i cheked this with a camber caster gauge but i did not have it on turntables although i did roll it back and forth to release any tension in the tyres and bushes would be intrested in your thoughts or you guys experienced any issues regarding wheel alignment
cheers
jess

[Philm]

HI Jess,
My car is the same, the rear camber adjuster is in a totally different position on opposite sides.

I have had no problem with wheel alignment as I think it is still in the required range.


Phil

[pneall]

Jess, Yeah what Phil M said.

The single biggest change ( apart from the edit) to my Cobra was getting the wheel alignment right. It went from" what have I done' to "this is great".

There is still work to be done as the rear still has a lot of bump steer built in.

Have you dropped the steering rack? I put 20 mm spacers between the rack and mounting points and this definitely gets rid of droop steer.

I'll get the front bar off tonight and get it to Pedders tomorrow.

Regards,

Phil

[Philm]

Phil Is right, the absolute best performance upgrade is a wheel alignment.

Just find the right workshop. You need to find someone who knows about supension and not just an operator.

The last wheel alignment took 4 hours, but with alot of conversation mixed in that.

Phil gave me some rough numbers to work to, and they get the car close.

Rear bump steer seems excessive, not sure how to fix it, but have spendt many hours looking at it.

Thanks

Phil

[Leeroy]

Excuse my ignorance fellas but whats rear bump steer feel & react like. Not sure if I can say there is anything I dislike about my rear (car) that is

Really experience quite a lot of understeer at Winton, more so after 3/4 laps when tyres stated to loose grip, help here would be apreciated

Leeroy

[pneall]

Leeroy,

On the track the rear bump steer dosent impact much (unless you run off the track) but on the road where there are lots of bumps its a feeling that the rear is moving about more than you would like.

For those that have a 300kw billy cart just jump up and down on the rear and watch the wheels change toe angle.

Apparently there is a guy in NZ with a CR that has worked it all out but I have no details. Mando may have designed his out too when he carried out major surgery to his CR to get the dished wheel look .

Understeer can be cured with more power to the rear wheels

Spoke to Michael at Pedders, he is going to do an initial run of 6 bars plus one for a pattern should there be any further interest.


Phil

[Churchy]

Hi Phil,

Include me in with the bulk sway bar purchase. Sounds as if with all the knowledge here about bump steer and wheel alignments, I may just have to get the numbers from you guys, and along with a big hammer, the problem is sorted ...

[Beejay]

Count me in too Phil.

Ben

[jess]

Hi Phil
spoke to michael at pedders today regarding the swaybar thanks again for organising this saves a lot of time and stuffing about
the local tire shop has been good enough to let me use their wheel aligner next week for a few hrs so can't wait to take it for a drive although with the increased ride heights and acute driveshaft angles i wont be expecting to much as long as it steers straight and feels confident enough to pass engineering i'l be happy for the time being
i was getting a bit concerned with the chassis being different from left to right being built on a jig i thought it would be fairly square
as yet phil i havent bothered to drop the steering rack im just trying to do what is required to get reg then i'll be pulling it apart to paint it and make some mods so il be tackling it then
regarding rear bump steer i think the rear link may need to be dropped as is done with the steering rack
there is a way to check this it will take some time to do but the equipment needed is minimal 3 dial gauges a flat surface to mount on the wheel with hot glue comes of easy a big round mirror or glass is good a solid base to mount the dial gauges on a jack to cycle the suspension up and down with this you can check exactly how much toe and camber change there is same again will be doing this once its registered
cheers
jess

[RODA]

Spoke to Micheal from Pedders again he is now doing a run of 6 bars, they will all be 22mm thick. He is going to keep one for a pattern, so if anyone else requires one he will be able to make one.
The price is now $220.00 plus delivery, not bad when you consider, Ian at Classic Revival wants $360.00 plus G.S.T for a bar that doesn't even fit.

Phil,
Thanks for droping the bar off. Micheal hopes to make them this week.
I suggested that he should look after you for your rear bar as may well end up with the same number of orders for rear bars.

Thanks again Phil for all your work.

Rod Allen

[pneall]

Michael at Pedders has two confirmed orders for the front bars. He really needs the other orders confirmed so he can get the special price.
Please ring him on (02) 94776310 and place your order. He dosent need payment at this stage just a committment.

Regards,

Phil

[Churchy]

Just rang Michael and confirmed. Sorry Phil, I thought it was a confirmed order and he would let you know when ready. Ooops.

- "Note to self." Read the thread properly

[Beejay]

I will call Thursday to book my one; only just read this thread.

Ben

[charlieh]

Front v Rear or Both??
I am expecting my car back tomorrow with both front and rear sway bars fitted. I note from comments that some have only front fitted etc. Would welcome any comments on the pros and cons of sway bars alround based on driving experience. Considering modern cars have both F&R fitted, then I would have thought that this is the optimum set up approach ??
Thanks
Charlieh

[jess]

Hi Phil
spoke to michael yesterday and put a tentative order in if all goes well we should get them by next week
since i'm getting mine engineered on the 3rd and just in case they dont arrive in time is it crucial to have it fitted or will it get by without one
cheers
jess

[pneall]

Jess,

You dont need sway bar for rego. Its a suspension tuning tool rather than an engineering requirement. Hope Engineering goes well.

Phil

[boxhead]

Thanks for the e-mail Phil, I too thought I had confirmed on here but I have now spoken to pedders and placed my order.
I too would be keen on a rear bar when you get yours made.
My only question on the rear is I have noticed Ian has changed the mounting point at some stage.
Can you take pics of the chassis mounting points on your car so I can see if they are in the same place as mine.

[Gav]

Thank you also Phil!
I spoke to pedders this morning and Micheal is going to ring me back monday.
I don't need a sway bar yet but this is just all a bit too convenient!!!!

Thanks again
Gav

[Leeroy]

Phil

I too am inerested to get a rear sway bar so when you get to that let me know also

Leeroy