RMC and Kirkham

[hogster]

Does anyone have the heads up on whether RMC have ironed the bugs out of the Kirkham compliance issues in Australia.

I seem to remember a thread saying they were in the process of doing so?

I have a rich friend who is considering taking the plunge.

Regards
Hogster

[750hp]

I missed that thread... Do you mean RMC (WA) or the RCR distributor (Craig White in Qld). I know that Craig would have spent an eternity sifting through compliance issues during his research on importing various replica models into the country.

[400TT]

Nothing to do with me.

And yes, I'm familiar with both the standard & new billet Kirkham chassis and the torsional figures. But it's better if I don't comment. I expect RMC have it all under control.

I really haven't heard anything lately about RMC & their Kirkham imports.

Would be best to call RMC directly and get the latest info.

[Ross Smith]

Hi,

I checked with RMC today and they tell me that they have 2 Kirkhams sitting on the loading dock in Salt Lake City waiting for a shipping container, they should be in Oz in a month or so.

Cheers

Ross

[Flukeyluke]

Would I be right in saying that would be well over $100K on road?

[boxhead]

I am guessing the complete roller would be priced at approx $70.000 maybe a touch higher?

But that is just a guess.

It looks like Kirkham bill $40000 for the complete roller plus $3000 for export duty.

Then there is approx $3000 for freight to Australia.
Ofcourse RMC are a company so they will be looking at making a profit, I also dont know if this is something they are doing of there own bat or if they are going to be the Australian distributor?
If they are the Australian distributor then you would expect there buy price from Kirkham to be lower?

I also am sure they will want to be compensated for any costs involved in getting Australian compliance, I would think that they would add this cost in so they have recouped this monies within the first 10 sales, I wouldnt expect the price to drop by then but they would then be making a higher percentage profit margin per car.

I beter get my car finished before the market is hit with the aluminium option, or my car may take a nose dive in value?

A Kirkham is something I would be keen to look at.

[LoBelly]

IF RMC have a web-site then I cant find it, and my limited experience talking with them wasn't so positive (after eventually tracking them down).

Personally, I'm a bit worried about them taking on a premium product like the Kirkham, particularly if they're the exclusive importer.

I wouldn't be too worried about the value of your car boxhead, (because it's not my car ) anyone could have brought in a Kirkham up to now and I understand there are a couple in Aust. A couple more wont matter.

LoBelly

[400TT]

It will certainly be interesting to see how they go with the Kirkhams.

[Rebel1]

Craig doesn't think it's ethical for him to comment because he is RCR's distributor.....but I can.

The test will be in getting the tube chassis to comply with Australian beaming test standards.

Even the heavier frame rails (as compared to the original 427 chassis) used by Kirkham don't go anywhere near the Aussie standard.

This cut from an older thread by David Kirkham.:

"Just for some fun information, we did an FEA (Finite Element Anaylsis) on the original 427 Cobra chassis and it had a stiffness of 1450 foot pounds/degree of deflection. The billet aluminum chassis we engineered has a stiffness of right at 4500 foot pounds/degree of deflection--or a 300% improvement over an original. Just for comparison, the thicker frame rails we use have a stiffness of 1650 foot pounds/degree of deflection--for an improvement of around 14% over an original chassis."

Will be interesting to watch.

[Cameron Parsons]

Or, per another thread going on, buy a complete, sorted, great second hand car with all the goodies (427, Polished, blah, blah) for under 80K.

Import and club register..... ta da!!

With the Aussie trading so wildly high against the greenback, the world is your oyster.

I considered a Kirkham long and hard. My only issue is that I love to race, and I don't think it's the best choice for that. Now, for a spectacular cruiser with potent abilities, and in the genuine skin.... Can't beat it.

Cameron

[Wazza]

While we're looking at vehicles arriving from the states, I thought a few of you guys might be interested in the new "babies" to arrive at Warwick Harrison's Cobra Kits shop last week.

Four Daytonas, One Roadster, and a GTM all from Factory Five Racing.

A group of us went there after the monthly breakfast meeting on Sunday, and had a look at them.

Pretty Impressive.

Hope you like the attached shots,

Regards,

Warren.

[Tom Kirkham]

Originally Posted by Rebel1

This cut from an older thread by David Kirkham.:

"Just for some fun information, we did an FEA (Finite Element Anaylsis) on the original 427 Cobra chassis and it had a stiffness of 1450 foot pounds/degree of deflection. The billet aluminum chassis we engineered has a stiffness of right at 4500 foot pounds/degree of deflection--or a 300% improvement over an original. Just for comparison, the thicker frame rails we use have a stiffness of 1650 foot pounds/degree of deflection--for an improvement of around 14% over an original chassis."

The FEA did not include an engine or transmission...

[Rebel1]

Tom, no offence meant in the post.

I am of the understanding that the Aussie beaming tests do not include the engine & transmission either.

Don't worry, we still love ya product and that love increases directly in proportion to the exchange rate.

Now.....when is the first Kirkham daytona gonna land in Oz?.

[boxhead]

Are the FFR Daytona's approved for full reg in Australia?

[Tom Kirkham]

Originally Posted by Rebel1

Tom, no offence meant in the post.

I am of the understanding that the Aussie beaming tests do not include the engine & transmission either.

Don't worry, we still love ya product and that love increases directly in proportion to the exchange rate.

Now.....when is the first Kirkham daytona gonna land in Oz?.

No offense taken.

Beaming and torsion are two different test. Torsion is twisting and beaming is bending. For example beaming could be tested by putting the car up on jack stands and placing a load in it and measuring how much the frame deflected.

My understanding is different. For example how could a Enzo or Carrera GT pass when the engine is part of the frame?

If the dollar keeps sinking (and I see no reason why it won't until after the elections) you will be madly in love come November. You may have to give me a call...

I wish I knew...

[400TT]

Originally Posted by boxhead

Are the FFR Daytona's approved for full reg in Australia?

Yes, Warwick(Harrison) will be providing them fully compliant for rego Aus wide.

I assume RMC will do the same for the Kirkhams.

It's a lot easier for vehicles with full roll cages, like the FFR Daytona's, when it comes to passing our torsional requirements.

6000Nm/degree(4425lb/ft) requirement for total Aus wide compliance is the target that these cars need to meet.

Yes, engine & gearbox can be fitted for the test. The vehicle to be tested is mounted through the hubs with springs/dampers made incompressible.

I know that all of the RCR cars will easily pass the Aus torsional requirements. But I know that not all USA kits will without some major modifications.

[PCC]

Without impinging on Warrick's pricing waht do you think the going rate will be for a finished FFR Daytona - under a $100k???

[boxhead]

Originally Posted by Tom Kirkham

you will be madly in love come November. You may have to give me a call...

I wish I knew...

am I to guess that you are planning on having things sorted by November?

[Barker]

Just sold my fish and chip shop made a small profit and Thomas my wife loves the idea of us having 2 cobras id love a kirkham might just happen.

sweet
Barker

[400TT]

Yes, Beaming is different. 1.25mm maximum average deflection with twice the payload per seating position. Payload is 68kg.

Pete I would only be guessing on the FFR price, I'll send you a PM.