what might be a realistic zero to 60 guesstimate

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by D111

tceist

No offense taken, but please explain.

The reasons I believe I purchased this roadster .

I like Harleys but I don't like the thought of my flesh scraping against the pavement.

This seems the closest thing to a Harley-Davidson with less risk.

they always caught my interest even though I rarely see one in New Jersey on the road.

I'm going to be 52 in April if this was 20 years ago it would probably not be a good idea, but now hopefully I will not get too crazy with it.

I stopped at the Harley-Davidson dealer today matter-of-fact to pick up some s100 wax and leather treatment,and feel that I made the right choice risk wise. Bikes are just too risky here in Jersey lost a couple of friends over the years .

Dennis

same thing with me, always loved the Harley until I laid one down badly on my left leg. Pulled the trigger on a Cobra after ten years of searching, going to retire next year, then I'm gonna start living my teenage years all over again, but more wiser of course.

Time to shake up all my neighbors.

Enjoy your ride. tin-man

[Excaliber]

pj, you called me a liar, if you want to make it personal, please use the PM function. I'm ready when you are, bring it on.

[tcrist]

Dennis,

I just re-read your post. You are going to be 52 in April. He!!, your still a kid. No wonder you are still trying to sow your wild oats.

[pjmoore2003]

You lied about the Australian case (race car, special case)
You lied about the 0-60 in 4 sec. Plenty of cases doing it without breaking the rear diff
You did not lie about half shafts (several instances) -- usually involving drag radials
You talk about T5s when most run with TKO 600s
You lied about rear end gears that you know nothing about. Most BDR's run pretty high ratios, 346 being common

You seem to be mischaracterizing all BDR owners as elitists who think they are better than everyone else and drink the cool aid on their product without knowing it. (This is the baseless lie you are perpetuating. How many BDR owners have you met in person?

Most know the product, and accept it for what it is and is not. it's pretty solid and we are willing to defend it when you misrepresent it.

I'm trying to get your post count up to 16k tonight and give Jay some time off.

[Cashburn]

I have nothing to hide. Here is the PM I just received from Ernie...

Subject: "Phuck you"

Message:

Your bashing off me is uncalled for. I stated my OPINION, you called me a liar, said the thread did not exist. It did exist, APOLOGISE ASS HOLE!

I'm sick of your constant BDR BS.

I never called you a liar. I presented facts that contradicted every assumption you made. I have no reason to PM you or receive further PMs from you. Thanks and have a good one.

The next time you post:

You will find more posts about BDR rear end component failure than for any other single manufacturer. Thats a FACT.

Then prove it.

And the next time you post:

...are these BDR owners easy bait or what? Must be metro sexuals.

Don't accuse me or anyone else of personal attacks or making it personal. You got called. Let it go and let us discuss 0 - 60 times of the man's BDR with a Roush 342R.

[Excaliber]

Cashburn, you said the broken BDR ring gear thread didn't exist, calling me a liar.
Well, as you found out, that thread DID in fact exist. Whose the liar now?

It is and remains my OPINION, that there are more posts and threads concerning BDR half shaft problems than any other make. Your OPINION is that is not the case. SO PROVE IT. I believe it's a FACT!!!!

You seem to be mischaracterizing all BDR owners as elitists...

Let me be clear on this, I don't "seem" to be, I am in "fact" saying this is the case.

Did we see any Classic Roadster owners coming in here to defend their "rear end" against opinions that they "break"? No. Did we see BDR owners go berserk at the mere suggestion they might have weak rear ends? You betcha',,,, Looks elitist to me.

Cashburn, you are in denial about your personal attacks toward me, please stop.

[pjmoore2003]

Even if one counted all the reports of half shafts breaking vs any other make, it might not prove anything. It's circumstantial, and thus could just be opinion.

It could indicate more BDR owners driver their Cars harder than the average owner of X make.
It would clearly demonstrate what anyone knows... IRS with sticky tires do not hold up like straight axles.
It would not say anything about the strength of the rear end gear. Half shaft breaks would not equate to weaker rear end as the cause in most cases.
Someone breaking more than one might have something to do with who put his rear together vice a characterization of the rear end type.

Elitist... hmm, maybe we should pull the dictionary on your description.

[Excaliber]

pj, Those are reasonable hypothesis', you might be onto something. I'm not going to spend any time verifying the number of posts/threads on the issue. It's just my hypothesis. We do know that the early BDR's had half shaft breakage issues, which were addressed by the factory in various stages as the car matured. M3 upgrade and now custom half shafts. The early BDR's are still at risk if they haven't been upgraded.

[pjmoore2003]

With that, I think it's time to move on to the poster's original intent if there's any more to be said.

I'd just like to publicly say thanks for the rational private conversation once we got past the initial *** words.

Phil

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

pj, Those are reasonable hypothesis', you might be onto something. I'm not going to spend any time verifying the number of posts/threads on the issue. It's just my hypothesis. We do know that the early BDR's had half shaft breakage issues, which were addressed by the factory in various stages as the car matured. M3 upgrade and now custom half shafts. The early BDR's are still at risk if they haven't been upgraded.

That's not how it went in reality. But I realize that's not the angle you are coming from so I will let it die.

The ring and pinion "failure" you continue to contend I am calling you a liar over was not a failure of the selected diff. in the application. It was an improperly serviced component that had a lot of race use on it. If you don't torque the head bolts on your Keith Craft engine 5 years after you get it and tear it down... don't declare "There are more posts of Keith Craft engine failures then any other make". Because that would be entirely false and unproven, unless I guess it was YOUR OPINION.

blah blah blah

[FWB]

using another make to make a point, and not to piss anyone off.

most half shaft failures in ford mustangs we not due to excess power being used with IRS, nor weakness of the IRS. most were due to wheel hop. and the odd force of wheel hop. most stock mustangs don't come close to HP that some of us running IRS, have but they fail nonetheless.
in all the enjoyment of this thread i did some reading on half shaft failure amongst alot of different makes and models and the common factor i read was wheel hop, drag radials and slicks on the dragstrip.
there is a reason why the chebbie boys don't drag their vettes with the factory rears.

just sayin......

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by FWB

using another make to make a point, and not to piss anyone off.

most half shaft failures in ford mustangs we not due to excess power being used with IRS, nor weakness of the IRS. most were due to wheel hop. and the odd force of wheel hop. most stock mustangs don't come close to HP that some of us running IRS, have but they fail nonetheless.
in all the enjoyment of this thread i did some reading on half shaft failure amongst alot of different makes and models and the common factor i read was wheel hop, drag radials and slicks on the dragstrip.
there is a reason why the chebbie boys don't drag their vettes with the factory rears.

just sayin......

Exactly. And the same reason the 03/04 solid axle swap was so popular on the Cobra Mustangs.

[Excaliber]

A BDR ring gear broke. A Classic Roadster ring gear broke. Those are the facts. Does anyone care WHY the Classic Roadster ring gear broke? About as much as I care why the BDR ring gear broke. It's to rare to worry about in either case, but the FACTS remain.

I NEVER suggested BDR has a ring gear weakness, ONLY that I knew of a thread about a BDR ring gear that DID break (which I was bashed for), and a Classic Roadster too.

So,,, the Classic Roadster, running a Viper V-10 and pretty much a dedicated drag race car was pulling some really low 0-60 mph times! Low enough to crush a 9" Ford rear gear, strongest in the industry! THAT is pretty darn rare!

[FWB]

and if anyone abbreviates limited slip differential as LSD again, i will have a massive flashback and go make snow angels naked in my yard.......

[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by FWB

and if anyone abbreviates limited slip differential as LSD again, i will have a massive flashback and go make snow angels naked in my yard.......

Thank you for taking this from a smile thread to a laughing thread

[tcrist]

I was wondering what that meant. He!!, I thought I was back in the 60's again.

Wait a second, Maybe I am!

[FWB]

see i'm not the only one.........i started looking for my copy of Uhma ghuma.....hopefully its not on 8-track.....

[tcrist]

I still have an 8-track in the garage stereo setup and about 40 8-track tapes. None of that one though.

[D111]

so this whole thing is really a nonissue the car has been upgraded, new and improved correct?

At what BDR number did the upgrade take place approximately?

Not that I have any intention of letting my clutch fly with sticky drag radials, unless I feel a surge of testosterone that I can't control

[FredBMOC]

D111, sorry this post got longer then I thought when I started to write it ...

First, to answer your question from personal experience, BDRs hook up well and "squat" and launch off the line really well. The tires and suspension help a lot in this department and in fact, in the short 6 months of owning my car I have not spun my rear tires once (nor tried) but I have not revved and launched it even once because to me its plenty fast just from a regular start. I also have not timed my car 0-60 nor been to a drag strip so I can't tell you times but my "seat of the pants" meter tells me it's plenty fast .

Now for the thread derailing part of my post and very honestly, not trying to preach but simply telling everyone my personal feelings about what a cobra is all about:
I guess we all get our cobras for different reasons and at different stages of our lives, I'm 44 going on 45yo, so still relatively young for this forum , with a young child and I have had many modern european sports cars ( Porsches, Lotus, BMWS, etc ) and to me any Cobra is about the looks, the sounds, the smells, the passion, etc. 0-60 times are ok to talk about, and cobras are generally great at that, same for 1/4 mile times, but IMO at the end of the day all cobra makes replicate an old 1960s technology, with all of it's goods and bads, and in the real world most will lose real races to powerful modern cars. Cobra's (all of them) frames flex a lot more than modern cars; carburated engines are beautiful but if you drive them to a different location, different season ( hotter/colder, more air pressure or less), the car won't make the same power as where it was originally tuned; cobras require considerably more care and a whole lot more seat time to learn how to drive well because of their inherent characteristics of narrow and short wheelbases and because they have no electronic safety features and there is nothing wrong with that in fact that is exactly what these cars are all about: raw, unrefined, technology free: no AC, no ABS, no DSP, PSP, PPG, PTSD . I think we can all bench race our BDRs against your friends ZR1 or Ferrari 458s ( from the other thread ) about 0-60 times but in a real world race we'd very likely lose and there would be no shame in that at all. Did you see the video of the car show where the SPF Daytona Coupe goes against the Viper? On paper the Daytona should win but in the real world, modern technology has a big advantage plain and simple and the Viper won.
I think you are going to find when you get your car that you enjoy a cobra all the time, even when you stand next to it and drool over its beautiful classic and aggressive lines; the way people young and old stop next to you at every light and eye your car and open their windows to ask what it is, what year it is, is it fast, what rear end you have ( I got asked that question by a kid on a brand new Shelby Super Snake at the stop light yesterday, his car sounded mean ! and I think he wanted to see if he could take me if we raced ), and on and on. How many people are going to look at a ZR1 and be able to tell it's any different from all of the hundreds of thousands of other vettes in town? or marvel over its lines; it's a vette, an awesome vette, but there are a lot of them and there will always be.
IMO, take your friend who has a ZR-1 for a ride or better yet, let him drive it himself and I believe he will be plenty impressed with your car and it's acceleration without you guys even having to race. These cars are just that awesome! but if you really want to race, then go for it and win or lose just have fun with it .

At the end of the day I am sure that you are going to enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine! as a matter of fact I am driving mine today again because the weather is going to be beautiful so today is a "cobra day"!

Peace!