New shocks for backdraft!

[Grey 65]

Originally Posted by cbreez

Just like yours, huh? BTW, when I use a racing shock they are air filled, the choice of charge gas for me is nitrogen...smarty pants.
May not be the way you learned to do things...

It isn't.. I've read Carroll Smith's book "Tune To Win". I am also an aircraft engineer on the F-35...

I'm going to let you in on a secret... The person who originally mentioned Carroll Smith's book has forgotten more about suspensions than everyone you know knows put together. You might want to not assume that you know everything and everyone else is an idiot.

If Cobra #3170 speaks you might do well to listen.

Why don't you watch the video in the link below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfW-aF3SGyw

There are people who do this stuff for a living on here...

[cbreez]

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[Cobra #3170]

Against my better judgement here goes; How do you explain the desirability of having a shock that will allow you to set bump (compression) forces to practically any force velocity curve you could possibly need and adjust rebound forces to any force velocity curve you might want.

The difficulty with explaining is that cbreeze thinks of shocks in terms of 50/50 or 70/30 or other 1960's bump rebound relationships. With that level of understanding of course you would not think having a wide range of adjustment was necessary or desirable. I suggested the Carroll Smith book because if you read it you might appreciate the value of truly good adjustable shocks. You don't have to change springs or even do a track set ups to appreciate good shocks. You can adjust them to ride as smooth as glass and absorb really nasty bumps with ease or make them aggressive if you choose to do an autox or track day. Lesser shocks do not have that flexibility, they also have higher hysteresis values which is less desirable for ideal damping. Think of it as a delay in absorbtion forces when the shock rod changes direction.

How do you adjust them: We generally use a low value for bump so that the car handles bumps well. If the car is upset by a bump say the tire leaves the ground we might reduce bump force. If the car is really bouncy and appears to be bouncing on the tires we also reduce bump force. If the car hits its own bump stops going over a bump we increase the bump forces.

Rebound is a little different, if the car jacks down after multiple bumps it probably needs less rebound if it feels like it is uncontrolled and floating we add rebound. The shocks can also alter dynamic roll stiffness during initial corner turn in or power down at corner exit. We sometimes make a change then look at lap times and cornering G loads to see if it helped or hurt. Everything you do will have effects on something else sometimes good and sometimes bad. The whole point of all this talk is that you can make a good shock do anything you want and a bad shock will have severe limitations if you are trying for ideal damping for your particular vehicle. I am sure cbreez can think of a way to belittle this answer. Since I have made many many bad decisions on shocks in the past I am just trying to help my fellow Cobra owners avoid those bad decisions. If you do not care about ride or handling by all means choose the cheapest alternative. If you do consider buying the best. Perhaps it would be appropriate at this time for cbreez to share his experience level and background so that others can make a value judgement on his comments.

[Grey 65]

And as Bill Murray so eloquently said in Stripes, "That's The Fact Jack!"

[cbreez]

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[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by cbreez

Your beloved "Tune To Win" was written over 40 years ago...

I don't believe the laws of physics have changed markedly since it was written.

[cbreez]

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[BDR_Boy]

Good grief.

"Hey, I don't assume anything, a wrong assumption on your part."

Yet... within this VERY thread you make several assumptions. The OP never stated what his intended use was... so you made an "assumption" when you said...

"Most guys here don't try to race their cars, change springs, etc. so KISS...That's all the guy asked."

Uh... no... that's not what he asked. He asked...

"Who can tell me what shocks are the best option as an replacement part!"

You "assumed" the OP "asked for some simple advice."

In addition... you made several "assumptions" when you said the following...

"I see...so you don't know what you are talking about...just talking." and...

"It great to hear a guy talk about his own alleged knowledge and expertise!"

You do understand the meaning of the word, correct? I'm not so sure... let me help you. This example is taken from the Merriam-Webster dictionary... #3 best addresses your attempted use of the word...

3 a : an assuming that something is true
• a mistaken assumption
b : a fact or statement taken for granted

Then... when the guy you've been unabashedly hassling on this thread attempts to provide you and everyone else on this thread with a little insight... you're quick to follow with...

"Your beloved "Tune To Win" was written over 40 years ago".

Proving he was correct when he stated you would try to belittle the answer... and that's exactly what you attempted to do. Then... you make the comment that he "implied I was a bit dated in my technology thinking but he loves to throw this old book title around that he believes in...". I don't see where he implied your thinking was dated. Dated? No. But simplistic... yes.

Are you 12 years old? Why didn't you just follow that up with "Nanny, nanny, boo boo?" You're no better than a child that continually asks "What?"

You've thrown enough shade. Personally... I agree with him... it's time for YOU to share YOUR experience level and background so that others can make a value judgment based upon YOUR comments. If I don't see you offer anything up... then the question answers itself.

Maybe it hasn't occurred to you... but these threads have a life long after the last comment has been entered. They become a searchable resource for those of us looking for insight and answers. Sometimes... that's as simple as pointing someone in the right direction... and I would have been content with his reply to read the book... and I'd have gotten my hands on a copy and done just that... if I wanted to know more about the topic and make an educated decision.

One thing is certain... anytime someone in the future does a search on shocks... and this thread pops up... in addition to getting both simple... and detailed information (even if it's in the form of "what book to read")... they'll also get a firsthand account of what an insufferable a** you've been throughout it.

Maybe you should have jumped on the OP for not being more specific regarding his needs.

Either way... you're the very definition of an Internet troll. If you need help figuring out what that is... here's another link for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

In the meantime... give it up. Your efforts at trying to have the last word on the topic have now literally made you and your comments a laughing stock on this thread... a joke that people will be reading about for a LONG time.