Paint Damage - Page 2

patrickt · #21 (**permalink**) 05-30-2021, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DanEC

Good point about the factory - hadn’t noticed it was a Backdraft which is factory painted. I think I might have a discussion with the Backdraft representative - unless it was something other than fuel.

Now that you mention it, I had a red lacquer paint job back in the 70's that gas drops turned the color to a burnt orange. This was not a professional paint job though, we did it ourselves. But it was better than half-ass, for a while at least....

HealeyRick · #22 (**permalink**) 05-30-2021, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 34fords

As I said in post #2 I don't think that is pump gas. And as DanEC said, I to have had C2 Corvettes and motorcycles all my life and I spilled more gas on the Corvettes and bikes than I like to admit and I have never had anything like that happen. I have had the pain fade and get dull but nothing that wouldn't wax out.
I hope Bobcowan responds.

I spilled some gasoline to which I had added a can of octane boost over my rear deck and it did a fine job of removing the clear coat of catalyzed enamel. Wondering if there was an added ingredient or something in a high-octane gas that would be a good paint remover?

DanEC · #23 (**permalink**) 05-30-2021, 09:39 AM

That’s a good possibility as a lot of octane boosters use toluene. Could be he topped his tank off and added octane booster and some leaked out the vent or past the lid seal while driving.

bobcowan · #24 (**permalink**) 05-31-2021, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Wow, that's a bummer! It looks like the gas found its way under the cap and under the paint to the lowest spot where it simply made a bubble. It looks similar to what happens when water gets behind paint on drywall. You'll have to go all the way down to the bottom and it'll be difficult to blend the surface let alone the color.

What color would you repaint?

Good luck.

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Originally Posted by DanEC

That’s a good possibility as a lot of octane boosters use toluene. Could be he topped his tank off and added octane booster and some leaked out the vent or past the lid seal while driving.

This is basic premium pump gas. I believe you are correct, that there was a cut in the paint from installing the Le Mons cap, and that allowed fluid to get up under it.

The only drain for the cap is the filler hole. I think I will drill a couple of holes for draining; both ion the cap assembly and in the body.

This is standard stock paint from BDR. Chevy calls is "Red Jewel".

I'll post some pictures when I get home later in the week.

Ozzie Goat · #25 (**permalink**) 06-01-2021, 08:08 AM

I can attest that standard pump fuel lifted the paint around my filler neck in the same fashion.

Another key here is that I didn't figure out the overfill and related pooling fuel for many days.

Several body shops told me pump fuel should not do that to paint. Makes me wonder what different about the BDR paint application process.

Winchester67 · #26 (**permalink**) 06-01-2021, 03:37 PM

We have a lot more "rules" here in the USA thanks to the EPA. I wonder if the South African built/painted cars don't use water based paints like we do. I know when I was a young man lacquer paint was more forgiving to shoot than enamel, but if you spilled gas on it there was hell to pay. Perhaps they are still using a solvent carrier for their paint and it is not as durable?

twobjshelbys · #27 (**permalink**) 06-01-2021, 03:56 PM

Have you talked with Backdraft??? They might want to know about it, and maybe even will help do something about it.

patrickt · #28 (**permalink**) 06-01-2021, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

... and maybe even will help do something about it.

For free?

We'll see about that....

twobjshelbys · #29 (**permalink**) 06-01-2021, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by patrickt

For free?

We'll see about that....

The words "for free" were not mentioned... But perhaps an equitable split might happen. You know, like those class action suits where neither party admits anything.

patrickt · #30 (**permalink**) 06-01-2021, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

The words "for free" were not mentioned... But perhaps an equitable split might happen. You know, like those class action suits where neither party admits anything.

I can hear it now -- "uhh, sorry... but if we give you a buck everybody else will want one too, so the answer is "No."

bobcowan · #31 (**permalink**) 06-01-2021, 07:29 PM

TBH, I was not impressed with the fit and finish. The paint seems to be kinds soft, and chips easily. The truck doesn't fit right. And there are rub marks everywhere - doors, hood, trunk. I'm going to have to spend a lot of money to get it all fixed.

patrickt · #32 (**permalink**) 06-01-2021, 07:32 PM

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I'm going to have to spend a lot of money to get it all fixed.

Ehhh, you can't take it with you. And your kids are just going to piss your money away on stupid shi* anyway.

kitcarbp · #33 (**permalink**) 06-03-2021, 10:00 AM

Well its not about how or what gas you spill on it. This is a defect in the paint materials and the process used to apply it. The type of filler cap is the least of all worries. Mine is vented and after a full top up (top of my filler neck) it weeps a bit of liquid around turns sometimes. It gets on the paint sometime. I used a basic PPG paint system on the car with modern clear coat. Sorry to see this. This is an issue for Backdraft Paint Quality department to address. Modern clear coats are engineered to resist typical automotive chemicals including gasoline and E85 and the E blends in between. Even water based paint systems. I would guess this is not the only car suffering from this defect if it was painted by the manufacturer. Hope they step up to help you and stand behind their paint job. Really a bummer.

patrickt · #34 (**permalink**) 06-03-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kitcarbp

Modern clear coats are engineered to resist typical automotive chemicals including gasoline and E85 and the E blends in between. Even water based paint systems.

You would think so. Otherwise just about every car on the street would have a ruined paint job on it.

xb-60 · #35 (**permalink**) 06-04-2021, 04:31 AM

So is the lesson that you should fill up at the start of a day's run, not at the end of the drive?

Do you not have to use a carbon canister like we do here in Australia? That should eliminate any similar problem.

Cheers,
Glen

twobjshelbys · #36 (**permalink**) 06-04-2021, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xb-60

So is the lesson that you should fill up at the start of a day's run, not at the end of the drive?

Do you not have to use a carbon canister like we do here in Australia? That should eliminate any similar problem.

Cheers,
Glen

I mentioned the carbon canister earlier, it's part of modern emissions systems. These are 60's cars. They have straight gullet.

xb-60 · #37 (**permalink**) 06-04-2021, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

I mentioned the carbon canister earlier, it's part of modern emissions systems. These are 60's cars. They have straight gullet.

There were around 1000 '60s cars. The car in question is a Backdraft with a Coyote, yes?

Cheers,
Glen

34fords · #38 (**permalink**) 06-04-2021, 07:29 PM

I was thinking today while cutting my grass, food for thought.
I have a 10 year old Walmart Murry lawn mower $129.00. It has a Briggs & Straton engine that I am sure they didn't use the best quality paint on the tank and mower. I spill gas every week on the tank and deck and the paint is still in great condition. I use premium gas and Stabil in the winter. Just a thought.

bobcowan · #39 (**permalink**) 06-05-2021, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by xb-60

So is the lesson that you should fill up at the start of a day's run, not at the end of the drive?

Do you not have to use a carbon canister like we do here in Australia? That should eliminate any similar problem.

Cheers,
Glen

I do not use a carbon canister. But I don't see how that would change anything. Maybe they are different in Australia.

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Originally Posted by 34fords

I was thinking today while cutting my grass, food for thought.
I have a 10 year old Walmart Murry lawn mower $129.00. It has a Briggs & Straton engine that I am sure they didn't use the best quality paint on the tank and mower. I spill gas every week on the tank and deck and the paint is still in great condition. I use premium gas and Stabil in the winter. Just a thought.

Exactly. BDR charges a lot of money for their paint jobs and assembly. It shouldn't be this fragile.

xb-60 · #40 (**permalink**) 06-06-2021, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bobcowan

I do not use a carbon canister. But I don't see how that would change anything. Maybe they are different in Australia.....

Yes, fair comment, Bob. I re-read your original post, and it was of course spilled fuel, not an overflow due to expansion.

Best wishes for an adequate fix.

Cheers,
Glen