CA SB-708 Smog Law Amended!!

[Mohuska]

I had numerous discussions with my state legislator and was assured that some changes would be made to the SB-708 language. I just checked the revised SB-708 today and the language was changed to exempt autos with a model year prior to 1974 IF you drive less than 12,000 miles per year.....

Well, it's not everything, but it is something....Here is the URL to the revised SB-708

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/...ended_sen.html

[SCOBRAC]

Time for a Regime change in Kalifornia.. www.recallgraydavis.com

[pgermond]

Excellent! Those cards and letters (e-mail) to the policy makers do help.

[Monster]

So the question is if this becomes law how are they going to verify the 12K/year.

Also Michael, Grey Davis did not author this bill and though Davis is far from the best Gov. we've had, the alternative's (Riordon or Simon) were no better and a lot of the issue's we now face in this state are the result of previous So. Cal administrations and crooked energy companies.............

Mike "monster"

please excuse my editorial

[NROTOXIN]

This one works as well
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/po...&author=florez
Hearing 4/29

curtis

[Ron61]

Mohuska,

SB-708 was amended after Jay Leno talked to Flores some time ago. But the catch is, it exemps MANAFACTURED automobiles of pre 1974 orgin if driven less than 12,000 miles and no changes were made to Paragraph 4 Section iii which as I see it still does away aith SB-100 and special construction cars do not fall under the manfactured label. Shelby Series 100s do as he is a licensed specialty car manafacturer but they have to meet all smog requirements. This is what I have been told by the two Senators that I finally got to talk to and also another knowledgelable person that works in Sacramento. So far no one will come right out and say what is going to happen to any special construction car and if they are going to leave SB-100 intact or carry on with doing away with it. If you can find this out please post it as a lot of people up here are really trying to get an answer and all we get is that amendment to allow people with original cars to keep them. The best amendment for this bill is to have it voted down and thrown away. Any farther information concering this bill should be posted by anyone who can find out as it is due for a vote later this month.

Ron

[Back in Black]

They chew your leg off, then throw you the leftover bone as consolation.

I am staying out of the people's Republik of Kalifornia if at all possible. I don't even like to visit. Too many reasons to list. If any of youse guys have had enough, take all your money, experience, education, and leave, like we did. Best decision we could have made. What's left of the real America is out here......

[Mr.Fixit]

I never thought I would say this: I agree with Back in Black

I have lived here in CA since '77 and I am now seriuously considering moving out. SB-708 is just the tip of the iceberg. I do have letters from two of my local senators that pledge they will vote against 708, but we'll see.

[flipper35]

Between the fuel gouging here in the valley where some stations are still $2.36 for 87 octane and these bills that look good to these morons on paper.

I wouldn't mind moving back to Wisconsin. They have an idiot governer too, but the gas is cheap, the roads are winding, and the game is plentiful, and most of all, my family is there.

[Ron61]

Only my health and finances kept me from leaving this state years ago and just having my body shipped back to be buried with my family. Flores thinks most of the deaths in his district are caused by the smog put out by older cars and special construction vehicles, so he has to get rid of them. That way he and his friends can keep their big SUVs and other things they own. If I had Jay Leno's money, they would make an exception for me to keep my car too. This state and it's Emperor have taken stupidity and ignorance to levels never known or seen belore. I have seen more people killed talking on cell phones while driving than I have seen die from being hit by a smog bank. I have often wished I had stayed in Washington when I got out of the military at Ft. Lewis and taken one of the jobs I was offered around the Seattle area. But I was tired of the rain. Boy, can I ever be dumb when I look back at some things. I have been looking at some property in the Roswell, New Mexico area. I always did like aliens from space more than the ones we have running this state.

Ron

[Cobra Chuck]

Originally posted by Ron61

I have been away from the site for a few months. What the heck is going on. Is someone trying to kill SB100? What's SB708. Please bring me up to speed.

Cobrachuck

Only my health and finances kept me from leaving this state years ago and just having my body shipped back to be buried with my family. Flores thinks most of the deaths in his district are caused by the smog put out by older cars and special construction vehicles, so he has to get rid of them. That way he and his friends can keep their big SUVs and other things they own. If I had Jay Leno's money, they would make an exception for me to keep my car too. This state and it's Emperor have taken stupidity and ignorance to levels never known or seen belore. I have seen more people killed talking on cell phones while driving than I have seen die from being hit by a smog bank. I have often wished I had stayed in Washington when I got out of the military at Ft. Lewis and taken one of the jobs I was offered around the Seattle area. But I was tired of the rain. Boy, can I ever be dumb when I look back at some things. I have been looking at some property in the Roswell, New Mexico area. I always did like aliens from space more than the ones we have running this state.

Ron

[Turk]

Another Cobra in Vacaville?

TURK

[Excaliber]

Hmmmm,,,,,,,Chucks car has a small block, could be a race shapeing up in vacaville.

,,,,,,,note to Turk: The flames are supposed to come out of the side pipes, not the carbs.

Ernie

[Ron61]

SB-708 was read again on the 29th with all of Flores new changes and it is staill a nightmare, even more so. Now he had did away with the first change that allowed vehicles of 30 years old or older to be exempt from smog if they were driven less than 12,000 miles per year and were built by a car MANAFACTURER. Ie, Ford, GM, Shelby, etc. I have been studying his latest farce and trying to find all the sections and subsections of the health and safety codes and Penal code that he is adding and so far all I can come up with is he is going to give the counties the power to also check emissions at the sobriety checkpoints and that will take some of the heat off of him. Most of the Penal code changes are just increasing the fines by large amounts. this latest version has no mention of any year car, so by their interpertation that would include any car, vehicle, or special construction car. The only sure way to avoid law suites, loss of vehicles and an all out confirmantation with the Emperor and his court jesters is to have this bill voted down and not let it get to Davis's desk. I have called and written and e-mailed until I am just tired of it. No one seems to want to really talk about this which is the politicians trick of letting it die down and then rushing in and passing it. If anyone else can shed more light on this vastly amended last version please post it.

Ron

[JT]

Can anyone post some names and numbers (telephone and fax) as well as e-mail boxes for ALL of us to use? It doesn't quite sound like it's too late-yet.

[Ron61]

JT,

You can go to www.sen.ca.gov and that will give you links to all the Senators and any bills that you want to look at. That is where I got most of the Senators addresses and phone numbers from. You can also try calling or e-mailing Davis but I never could get any answer back from him. The guy in Flores office in Sacramento to talk to is Larkin Tackett, but if you aren't from Flore's district you will be lucky to get to talk to him. He seems to only want to talk to people in that district wheer Flores may lose a few votes and everyone else doesn't count. Also call your own Senator and tallk to him.

Ron

[Cobra Chuck]

Turk

Yup another one. It is headed to the paint shop next Tuesday. It has been a long road but well worth it. Of course the December 16, 2002 flooding of the shop and house set the project back several months. I have got the itch to drive it so bad. I am hoping to have it on the road and ready for a Saturday morning Athens trip the first of June.

Chuck

Originally posted by Turk


Another Cobra in Vacaville?

TURK

[Cobra Chuck]

Any specifics on how specially constructed vehicles will be treated? Does this proposed law supersede SB-100?

Chuck

Originally posted by Mohuska


I had numerous discussions with my state legislator and was assured that some changes would be made to the SB-708 language. I just checked the revised SB-708 today and the language was changed to exempt autos with a model year prior to 1974 IF you drive less than 12,000 miles per year.....

Well, it's not everything, but it is something....Here is the URL to the revised SB-708

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/...ended_sen.html

[jimveta]

Hello from a non-cobra owner!!
First, just a little background, I plan to register my specially constructed vehicle, a tube chassis fiberglass bodied prerunner/stadium type truck--under SB100 as well (yes, someone has actually done it before, and going by the engine at that: body "resembles" an F150 but engine was completely custom including block , so it defaulted to 1960) .. anyways..

I too am worried about this SB708. I have no knowledge or experience in politics, but it seems to me that arguments need to made to supporters of this bill that although the "intention" may be good the problem is not being correctly addressed and would end up hurting CA more than helping.

In other words, let me give an example:

If Mr. Out-of-shape is never exercises, smokes all day, eats junk food all day, ..
and just so happens to have a routine of eating a cup of ice-cream once a week, pointing to his ice-cream regiment and saying, "Ah ha! there's your problem!" and forcing him to simply stop his cup of ice cream a week, without addressing anything else isn't going to solve anything. Moreover, that kind of approach would ruin his health even further with extra stress.

Now compare this with Mr. Healthy who also happens to have the same weekly ice cream regiment as Mr Out-of-shape above. ".. hey, what gives? why is he still in perfectly good health?"

So it is with this SB708. The problem of pollution won't be solved or even reduced by simply attacking the hobbyists. The problem of most of pollution currently comes from POPULATION DENSITY combined with a lack of trees dispersed throughout the area. This is what happens when you clump all the inudstrial/factories and urban neighborhoods and downtowns all in one spot. YET, the solution is hampered by a very misguided left-wing mindset of an ignorantly refusing any comprimise of expanding onto forested land. Of course, we don't want habitats destroyed, but a perfect comprimise between nature preservation a human habitat can be reached and it is through this that I believe any polution solution can be made. After all, the trees are our air filters.

California is still rated right in the middle as far as pollution goes even with all the super stringent of laws. Mainly, I believe due to these pockets of concentrated polution. Now, what about the other ~25 states that are ranked cleaner than us? who definitely have much less stricter/bueracratic laws and probably a higher percatange of older autos/ hot rods (compared to current autos)? -- This goes back to my example above.

This is just going to hurt CA businesses even more than they are now. In fact, if the politicians like Flores and crew want to force this tact, and truly want to reduce pollution via *this method*, then every single owner of a vehicle in the exempt years need to get $300,000+ to pay companies to do R&D on coming up with a one-off custom solution on retaining the performance for their application while still conforming to current auto standards (i.e. OBD2, EEC5, EGR, etc. etc) .. again, per car.

Examples of this kind of economy-eating bureaucracy in action:

* CARB EO: an replacement air filter alone is ok; however, as most of you I presume probably know just to sell that air filter with a replacement air intake tract/hose that's just slightly different in design requires an EO # and is deemed not "smog legal". Even though it would most likely IMPROVE emissions. And since it costs $1200 per lab test to get CARB approval, most smaller aftermarket companies would just be satisfied with EPA approval and go for the rest of 49 states.

* regarding forestry: Yes, I do NOT approve of indiscriminate logging. But I think emotions and ego need to be kept apart from reasoning and logic (just like seperation of church and state): there was a sizeable patch of land burnt down in one of the forest fires not long ago (sorry , forget where, could be colorado or cali), where all the trees where burnt down and soil became infertile. In fact, it was hot enough to sterilize everything which means the burnt foliage could NOT become any kind of fertilizer anymore. Of course, the moment the radical lobbyists (read: more democrat votes) heard the word "logging" associated with the companies, .. well that land will just be sitting there--dead--forever. Instead of letting those companies come in, reap the burnt trees, and *plant new ones*

Anyways, I apologize for your time but my rant is over for now... and all this coming from a democrat (however, I'm planning on chaning to libertarian. this war was the last straw for me for the left)

P.S. I couldn't find any Sen Johannessen entry listed anywhere on the senate website. All I could find was Sen Aanestad for the Redding district #04 which is the same as Johannesen. ?? and history of SB100 2001-2002 proceedings with Johannessen name.

And of course, like with everyone else I would appreciate any updated info and am definitely crossing my fingers this doesn't get passed.......

[Ron61]

Cobra Chuck,

Go back and look at the latest amended version of SB-708 and you will see that the revision to allow cars 30 years old or older and not driven over 12,000 miles per year was crossed out. The latest amended version is a nightmare to read and you have to get all of the other penal code and health and safety code sections mentioned in it to even try and guess just where it is going now. The only safe way is to have it voted down.

Ron

PS-- Don't trust what your Senators tell you. Go read or print out the bill yourself. They just say what they think it will take to get people to stop calling and complaining until it is to late.