Well, I just finished going to BAR and got my exempt sicker,for the 2nd time.
Now it's off to the DMV for tags and I'm done.
I'm such a gross polluter, when they were testing my car birds were falling out of the sky
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Once you have a SB100 number and are passed with NO SMOG do you have to go back for any other SMOG checks?
Also a question about how strict they are on the emission equipment for a 69 351W.... and pointers? I am getting started on a new motor and want to make sure I don't build something I can't get past the SMOG folks...
So what is the general feeling among the wise ones of the Great Republic,for we who are about to leap the 50k chasm?Are the exemptions going to be readily available enough that I won't be making yet another"buy high/sell low" investment in a car that may take several years to register in Ca,or will need to be sold out of state.It will be a Cobra or nothing,because I be hanged if I'll pay the state to own a 50k whatever(Vette,Porsche,etc.).I simply won't do it!
what about a 69 351W block with Edel Vic JR Heads, Edel Carb, MSD ignition, etc. As long as I have a PCV valve do you guys think they will give me a problem? smogging?
I agree with Turk in fighting the system with large numbers! Every car club in California should plan a specific day to converge in Sacramento, and send our Greedy state a message:
VINTAGE CARS, MUSCLE CARS, OLD CARS, RESTORED CARS, KIT CARS, SPECIALTY CARS, & MOTORCYCLES are the backbone of just about every american hobbyist. We pour our hard earned money into these vehicles, only to be screwed over by some states that are unwilling to assist this overwhelming majority. The registration for these vehicles should be much more easier than what some of us have to go through now! Maybe a petition asking California and others to ammend and ease the process for these types of vehicles, and simplify them.
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what about a 69 351W block with Edel Vic JR Heads, Edel Carb, MSD ignition, etc. As long as I have a PCV valve do you guys think they will give me a problem? smogging?
When I did my SB100 thing they didn't give a hoot about what it was how much it was belching etc. They sniffed it slapped the tag on the frame and made all the digital connections to DMV. I am running a new 5 Liter Ford Racing short block (Not for use in pollution controlled vehicles) 9.5:1 compression ratio, Ford E303-X roller cam (nasty) Edelbrock Performer RPM heads and manifold, Edlebrock 750 CFM carb, manual choke, MSD electronic ignition. Yes birds were falling out of the sky. The techs got a cheap high and I burnt a quarter of a tank of gas on the dyno. (Opps I got carried away). But if there was any consideration for emissions I didn't detect it. SB100 assumes you are going to be a GROSS POLLUTER. Just make sure you get one of the 500 annual SB100 numbers.
Only on California you would be asked to take your car to the Smog Station and meet with the referee and a District manager has to be present to comply with the Smog portion of the SB-100 registration.
You can NOT fail. It doesn't matter if the car is blowing out raw gas out the side pipes, that could start a forest fire. It matters not how poor the car runs, and how much of a gross polluter it is, YET you have to make an appointment and go through this charade for a test you can NOT fail.
Is it me, or does this make NO sense to others also?
What the hell is the point of subjecting your car to a smog test you can NOT fail? What is the point other than bureucratic garbage.
You can tell them what ever you like.
All I have is a pcv on my 71' 429/514.
I have a big cam and 2-750 Holleys, they will put down 69' 5.8L pcv 1x4 bbl and your done.
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In a state that has 70,000 state owned vehicles in the motor pool, SUV's, Pickups with one ocupant to pickup dead leaves on the side of the road, and go through millions of gallons of gasoline every year, I have a hard time looking at SB-100 and the lucky 500 as a "gift".
That is the mentality that has brought us to where we are.
The Big Brother, The State, The Government gave us a gift by allowing 500 of us to drive our cars. Thank you California.
What is gonna happen next year when the 500 numbers are given out by January 15th. and no one else can register a car like ours.
Sorry, but I do know if I am looking at a Horse's teeth, or the end with no teeth.
If you have it smogged (under SB-100) by the model and year rather than engine, they could care less what you have for a motor.
At least that is my understanding of it. Maybe others who have already gone through the process, can tell us more about it.
anyone else who has actually done it? I am very interested as I am at that point of putting the motor together to have ready for when the car arrives....
From what I've been told, and since I've done this twice now.
They put you down as the year the sequence number was issued and spcns and cobra replica.
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We have gone through this several times up here now. Under SB-100, you the owner determine if you want to register the car by the year of the body or the year of the engine. All of us around here have used the body year. The final pink slip ( old Term ) will list it as a 2003 or whatever, but the SPCNS number will exempt it from any smog. When you go in they will stick the sniffer in it and after the machine quits choking, they issue you a smog exempt sticker which they place in an easy to get to place. The referee don't care and can't do anything about the engine if you go by the year of the body. The only option he has is if he thinks the car doesn't resemble a 1964 Cobra for example is he can ONLY change it to a 1960 which is even farther back. The same applies to the engine. If you decide to register the vehicle by the engine year and the referee doesn't think it resembles the engine of a 1962 for example, he can ONLY change it to a 1960. YOU, as the owner decide if you want it registered by body or engine year. We have guys with 502, dual carbs, and about everything esle go through without a hitch now that some of the DMV people have learned to read their memo on how to handle vehicles being registered under SB-100. As Turk said, I don't see how the state can think they have did anyone a favor by letting 500 vehicles a year be registered. And that would have been stopped if not for all the calls and *****ing by car people about Flores bill he tried to push through this last year. I am just waiting for the next edition of that bill to be submitted as the state is going to try to stop any vehicle not built by an approved builder from being registered here. They should just let people register their special construction vehicles and collect the registration fees on them instead of trying to make it impossible for anyone to have one. I have talked to people I know in Sacramento who are in the legislature and the anti car mentalilty is frightening. To few have to much power.
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Only on California you would be asked to take your car to the Smog Station and meet with the referee and a District manager has to be present to comply with the Smog portion of the SB-100 registration.
You can NOT fail. It doesn't matter if the car is blowing out raw gas out the side pipes, that could start a forest fire. It matters not how poor the car runs, and how much of a gross polluter it is, YET you have to make an appointment and go through this charade for a test you can NOT fail.
Is it me, or does this make NO sense to others also?
What the hell is the point of subjecting your car to a smog test you can NOT fail? What is the point other than bureucratic garbage.
To All:
SB 100 is better than nothing but it is a great example of the incentives the state provides to anyone or business that does not comformed the the politicoenvirosocial model as defined by the Great State of California.
I am a native Californian and can remember great days gone by when California was absolutley the best place in the world to live. I am being legislated out of this state one law at a time. I think we let in to many whackos and they have taken control.
We all know what to do when the special election happens! Hey, it's a start.
If I remember correctly, the first version of SB100 that they tried to pass did not have any limitations on the number of vehicles, and Davis put the big red veto stamp on it. The next version had the 500-a-year limitation and was passed. Then SB1478 (is that the right number?) was passed so that people who had already registered prior to SB100 would be allowed to participate in the program too.
Having SB100 is a lot better than not having SB100. If you hate SB100, your problem is with CA's smog legislation in general and that's where you should focus your energy. I'm sorry, spin it any way you want it, but SB100 is a Good Thing. I'll grant you that it could be better for us, but it is a hell of a lot better than what we had before: nothing. It isn't perfect, but it does not suck.
The great state of California is letting 500 of us a year with modern engines be, essentially, smog exempt. That's up from a previous record in 2000 of ZERO. As in NO ONE.
But then I've always been a glass-is-half-full kind of guy.
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Ah, finally a voice of positive reasoning on this topic. Agreed, it could be better, but it's better than what existed previously. Better to work within the system and work to improve it than trying to tear it down - thank you ddimick for your post.
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