All Gone SB100 Now What?

[Mike Bartlett]

So, since all the SB100 are gone for 2005. How would I go about driving my Cobra, assuming I ever get it?

-Can I get temp. regist?
-Since I have a cast iron 66 motor would it be worth regist. by engine year?
-Any other options??

Thanks,

Mike

[jdog]

You can still go with the year of the block. You and me brother, we will do this together! Well, I mean, you'll go first but I will be right behind you! (I hope)! From what I hear there was not much smog equipment in 66', so it might not be so bad.
You can always get in line next Jan for an sb100 #!

jdog
P.S. Check out the pictures of my 66' 427fe side oiler in my photo gallery. 600/600! Obscene torque curve!

[ByronRACE]

When you go to register the vehicle by block year, they still require all the emissions equipment that was on that block originally, or at least are supposed to...correct?

So, even on a virtually smog-device-free 1966 or older block (if they want to be complete jackasses about it), they can require factory exhaust manifolds, intake manifolds, etc., can't they? In practice, I've never seen (nor heard) of them enforcing this, but I do believe they could if they wanted to.

If you bring in a 1975 engine, do they make you put all the factory smog equipment in place...right down to the factory exhaust and everything? Or are they just drawing the line at 1976 these days and letting everything else go?

I think they turn a blind eye to most of it, but it could be a mess. A lot of these 70's engines have EGR, preheaters, and all sorts of goofy smog valves, exhaust butterflies, etc...and it would be hell getting all that crap back on the engine.

I'm personally afraid to register mine by block year...they'd take one look at all the unusual crap on it, and all the unusual noises it makes and go "Uh....... hell no. Neeeext."

[jdog]

There have been a couple of people on this board who have gone the non-sb100 route. They have said that it's a little hassle but it might be the only way.

jdog

[Ron61]

Byron,

Pre 66 blocks had nothing but pcv valves in them. 66- 427s had no emission equipment at all and pretty good stock cast iron exhaust header type manifolds. I am using the stock ones on my 69 big block, and other than weight, I only gained about 14 horsepower when I tried a set of headers. With the headers I could change plugs in 13 hours. With the stock type cast iron headers I can do it in 5 hours. So I am slow. And yes, if you have a 75 engine it will require all the smog equipment that came on the engine. And a lot of the earlier stuff will depend on the BAR referee that you have. Ours can be a jerk at times. Example, one person had to go get a painted air filter because he had his chromed. They were the same factory filters, but just never came chromed from the factory.

Jdog,

When you get ready and do yours, would you mind sending me an e-mail of all the steps you had to go through? We have a few up here that are thinking about that as they can't get one of those golden 500 numbers. I did talk to a couple of the peole at our DMV and get a few answers, but they seemed unsure of themselves.

Thanks,

Ron

[Mulv]

Gee

If only you knew someone in Arizona.....

[jdog]

I will post and email you my results! I have just posted some pictures of my 66' 427fe side oiler in my photo gallery. I hope I don't have to change too many of those parts to get it registered.

jdog

[Burgs]

jdog,...nice fish! Where'd ya get'm?

[Ron61]

Jdog,

That is one nice looking engine and you should not have to have any emission equipment on it as long as it is a 66 or earlier. But if you have the connection behind the carb. it might not hurt to just connect a hose from your breather to it so it looks as if you have a pcv valve. I have looked at two 66 Fairlanes that had the 427 and one had a single 4 barell and the other had dual 4s. The single carbed one had a pcv valve and the dual carbed one had none. But Iam not sure if the guy added the PCV valve himself as he said he hated the oil blowing back out of the cap. The 427s that year were pretty much left alone and it was the 390s and smaller blocks that they started making have the junk on them. The biggest thing that I see wrong with your engine is that it is in your garage instead of mine.

Ron

[pgermond]

I could be wrong, but my understanding is if you have an after market frame (one that has never been registered), you are pretty much stuck and will have to wait until Jan 2005, regardless what the year of the block is. The DMV wants to see a VIN or MSO, not an engine block.

As I said, I could be wrong on this. A visit to DMV with a list of questions is my advice.

[Ron61]

Phil,

You are probably correct about the frame. The problem is that every person we talk to in the DMV seems to have a different answer. One person buildt his own frame and he is not a manfacturer so he can't issue a MSO for his own frame. He has all the receipts for the metal and his welding, but it is a clean frame, ie, no numbers or anything. He may be stuck with waiting 15 years to get a SB-100 number then. I think the engine year comes into play for the BAR and smog stuff, but if you have the other you can register the car by the year of the engine, for smog purposes. This is such a messed up state that even the DMVs aren't sure of a lot of this stuff I think. That is why I asked Jdog if he would send me all the steps he has to go through when he registers his.

Ron

[NROTOXIN]

With out the SB-100 Seq # You register as a 2005 SPCN and smog as a (block year).....you will then have Bi-Annual smog checks. You then can go the SB-100 route when the Seq #s are available then no smog checks ever again (for now)

curtis

[Ron61]

Curtis,

Then if you register as a 2005 SPCN and have a 1965 block, how would they determine the smog check as there were no limits then? This could be the way the guy that built his own frame and all could register it after all. He has a 1964 289 that he is using. So would he have to meet todays emissions as a 2005 Special Construction, or the 1964, which had none?

Thanks,

Ron

[Randy Rosenberg]

Hey Ron,

Curtis is right... Go do a search on posts by HowardV.

Howard has an SPF with a 351. It's titled as a 2004 SPCNS without SB100, and the BAR determined that his 351 is from 1969. So he had to add all of the mandatory smog components (specific carb, air cleaner, PCV, etc...) to make it meet 1969 smog requirements. Since it's a 2004 vehicle and not smog exempt (iow: not SB100), he has to smog check it every two years.

This fits in exactly with what the DMV has on their web site: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/spcns.htm

Specially constructed passenger vehicles or pick-up trucks registered without a certificate of sequence are subject to emissions control requirements based on the model-year of the engine as determined by the Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) referee.

Using your example of a 1964 289, if the BAR agrees that it is a 1964 289, then without a Sequence Number, any SPCNS with this engine will have to meet 1964 smog requirements for a 1964 289 engine (which may be none).

Regards,
Randy R...

P.S. In the meantime, Howard was in line at the DMV on Monday and got a Sequence Number, so he doesn't need to deal with the smog tests every other year.

[ByronRACE]

Howard didn't need an SB-100 but got just for the sheer convenience of not being bothered by smog checks every 2 years?

I think makes Howard even badder and eviler and selfisherer (lol) than me! I got one to replace my 2004 number because I couldn't get a straight answer on whether or not it was any good. I'm pretty sure that's not worse than Howards behavior.

Way to go Howard! High Five!

Byron
(founder of the SB-100 hoggers club, now taking applications)

[NROTOXIN]

A few people in the past have taken their so called '1986 SPCN with a 1966 427s/o' that they smogged every other year the SB-100 route to be exempt.

curtis

[NROTOXIN]

Byron,
What would DMV say to do with a 2004 SEQ# if you received it on Dec 21 2004?
Were they trying to say it would only be good for 10 days?

Just something for someone ask DMV next year...... like to here that answer.

Ever come to breakfast in Dublin?

curtis

[Randy Rosenberg]

Byron,

Have you talked to the DMV about "returning" your unneeded Sequence Number? Just a thought... I've got some contacts in Sacramento that might be able to help (Trimble, LeMay, etc...).

Thanks,
Randy R...

[decooney]

Originally posted by NROTOXIN


A few people in the past have taken their so called '1986 SPCN with a 1966 427s/o' that they smogged every other year the SB-100 route to be exempt.

curtis

Including myself and others that own or have owned SPCNS/*YR0000 titled cars with older engine blocks (non-SB100) did not have to be smogged every other year during ownership. However, of those cars that were sold since they did have to be smogged at time of sale/transfer. Smog was based on the year of the block. This is how we all did it before SB100 came out.

Unless the DMV vehicle code book/law has changed recently, If you can tune it yourself and get it to pass smog (tailpipe test) with an older engine block, I believe this is still an alternative to SB100. For those buying new engines, this could be challenging unless you have all the the right equipment on there...

Good Luck.

[ByronRACE]

I asked the lady at Sacramento that claimed to be "The SB-100 Authority" how a previous years SB-100 number issued on the last calendar day of any given year could be invalid the following day. She simply repeated herself stating that currently, the are accepting smog referree appointments for ALL issues SB-100's, but that they aren't required to and it could change. To be guaranteed registration of my car, I needed a 2005 number. Period.

It makes no sense, no. I agree. Other things in the DMV make less sense, and I'm not willing to take a risk.

No, I have not contacted anyone about returning my 2005 SB-100 number. If there was a mechanism available to assure me I only needed one of the two numbers I possess, as well as a method available to transfer the unused number, I'd be more than happy to help someone out. Lead the way, I've given up.

Byron