CA Regist?

Mike Bartlett · #1 (**permalink**) 05-04-2005, 10:49 PM

Hi Guy;s,
Ok here is my issue. I will probably get my car on the road by the end of May. I went down to the DMV on Monday to start my registration process. I know the SB100 idea is not going to happen until Jan of 06. So, I would assume at this point the only avenue I can take is by engine year? My motor is a 65-427. This isn't ideal but I don't believe I have any other choice. Here are my questions.
-If I regist. by engine year now can I still re-regist. under SB100 in Jan?
-I understand by going engine year that my motor will need the smog items of 65. PCV Valve, closed crankcase, etc?
-I will also have to pass some type of minimum smog test. Tail-pipe test at a high RPM then another at a low rpm. With a pretty aggressive cam I doubt I will pass the low rpm test. What options are there??
-When I went to start my regist. I told the DMV lady I want to regist. my car under Sec-580 SPCN, a kit car, home built. She kinda looked at me funny then went and dragged out a book to read up on what I meant. I think I started this correctly but not sure?

That's it for now. Thanks for any help on this.

Mike

Tongue Pirate · #2 (**permalink**) 05-04-2005, 11:16 PM

These are all questions I will have soon also. What were the emissions standards for 63-64-65? Is there a breakdown anywhere that might show this data?

ezplans · #3 (**permalink**) 05-05-2005, 01:57 PM

I'm in the middle of this mess right now. 1967 block sideoiler. Have been told by 2 mechanics that I will never pass the HC limit of 700ppm (I believe the 65 limits are identical) at idle without recamming the engine. I bought the Car in Colorado and brought it to California in February, which makes it a SPCNS just like yours. The DMV gave me a temporary operating permit that expired on 4/30/05. My hurdle was a BAR referee verification of block year and passing the smog test to 67 standards. The DMV extended my temporary operating permit another 90 days until the end of July after I convinced them that I was making a concerted effort to pass the smog test. Can I get futher extensons until 1/2/06 for SB-100, drive my car and avoid the recamming cost? I don't know. I'm researching one possible temporary fix that will enable the beast to pass the idle test without recamming, but I will not discuss it in open forum. FYI - the best we could sustain was about 1150 HC ppm at idle with solid cam, .605 lift and 248 degree duration at .050.

Good luck boys, Bill

Tongue Pirate · #4 (**permalink**) 05-05-2005, 02:21 PM

There are some smog guys out there that will work with you & give you some pointers. Of course I have no idea to what lenght you've gone at this point.

CobraEd · #5 (**permalink**) 05-05-2005, 02:28 PM

Uh, . . Rejet the carbs for alcohol, drain the tank, put in some alcohol, pass the test, then set it up for gas again. They woun't know what hit em!

You can all thank me later

Ed

Mike Bartlett · #6 (**permalink**) 05-09-2005, 03:12 AM

Hey Bill,

I was told that maybe a smaller carb. and then lean it way out may be enough to pass smog? Any thoughts on that? My cam is I-254/E-266 at .050. I sure don't want to re-cam. Too much hassle and expense. Even the SB100 in January is no guarantee any longer. Last year they were all gone in 2 days.

Ed, Are you serious?? I am up for anything that might work.

Mike

Ron61 · #7 (**permalink**) 05-09-2005, 06:25 AM

Mike,

The alcoholwill work if done right. I saw it done on a Volkswagon that was a gross polluter here a couple of years ago. We have one smog guy who is nice and he ran it with the machine off line. Failed badly. He had the guy drain the tank, go put enough alcohol in it to run down the road for a few minutes to clean out everything and then bring back. It passed very well and then he drained the alcohol and added gas. I don't know if they did any carb work on it or not.

Ron

Randy Rosenberg · #8 (**permalink**) 05-09-2005, 09:01 AM

I was talking to some guys this weekend, and was told (I have not officially confirmed this) that the BAR cannot smog a 1965 block with either multi-point ignition or multiple carbs. This would mean that a 1965 block with either multi-point ignition or multiple carbs would be "smog exempt".

Worth researching...

YMMV,
Randy R...

Mike Bartlett · #9 (**permalink**) 05-09-2005, 05:19 PM

Randy,
If this is the case then I might have an option here. My engine has the original Dual-Point Ignition. So I wonder how I can confirm this? I have been looking over the DMV website all day but can't get any specifics on things like this.

Thanks,

Mike

Tongue Pirate · #10 (**permalink**) 05-09-2005, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Randy Rosenberg

I was talking to some guys this weekend, and was told (I have not officially confirmed this) that the BAR cannot smog a 1965 block with either multi-point ignition or multiple carbs. This would mean that a 1965 block with either multi-point ignition or multiple carbs would be "smog exempt".

Worth researching...

YMMV,
Randy R...

That is very interesting....I'll have to look into it!

Mike Bartlett · #11 (**permalink**) 05-16-2005, 09:44 PM

Randy,

By chance have you heard anything more on the idea that a Dual-Point distributor may be smog exempt? I have looked through the DMV website but can't find any details on this stuff?

Thanks,

Mike

Randy Rosenberg · #12 (**permalink**) 05-16-2005, 09:55 PM

No, sorry Mike, I haven't researched this further. I doubt this information would be on the DMV web site. I would guess that any BAR referree would have this info, or at least know where to look it up.

Good luck,
Randy R...

pgermond · #13 (**permalink**) 05-16-2005, 10:20 PM

I wish you guys the best of luck, however, if a dual point distributor and/or multi-carbs were smog exempt it would have been discovered eons ago. If you do come up with a way around the CA registration process w/o using the current "acceptable" methods (i.e SB100), you should bottle and patent it - you will make a fortune.

Good luck!

Specialty · #14 (**permalink**) 06-01-2005, 12:43 AM

Gentlemen, I am one of the owners of Specialty Sales in Pleasanton, I am writing because I have been involved in SR100s and the BAR for 2 years now and would be glad to offer my experience. There are a ton of rumors going around, I hear them every day. My basic take is there is no reason to fear too much, there are many ways to go to register and enjoy your cars. I only write to offer help to anyone who needs it. I have successfully registered over 10 cars, both SR100 and Smog Legal. I have personally talked to the top dog in Sacramento on this project for DMV, etc. Take care and enjoy. Steve

Turk · #15 (**permalink**) 06-01-2005, 03:46 AM

Classic Guy,
I thought there were only two ways of registering these cars. "Many" makes me wonder if you have discovered other means not yet known to DMV.

Did you know Larry Marsh?

TURK

crillyiv · #16 (**permalink**) 06-01-2005, 03:49 AM

Steve,
That's great. So can you answer any of the questions in this thread based on your experience?

Ron61 · #17 (**permalink**) 06-01-2005, 06:22 AM

Steve,

Just what is SR100? I know what SB-100 is and any car registered under it is smog exempt, but the 500 numbers per year are the problem. If you want to keep this off the public formums, please e-mail me the answer if you would be so kind. I no longer will try to answer questions about regsitering these cars in this state because of the in-consistancy in the DMVs and BARs. One place you can do one thing and another it is illegal. But for my own information I would appreciate to know hat yu have found out.

Thanks,

Ron

NROTOXIN · #18 (**permalink**) 06-01-2005, 03:47 PM

Did you know Larry Marsh?

Turk....you mean Les Brown?

curtis

Tongue Pirate · #19 (**permalink**) 06-01-2005, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Specialty

Gentlemen, I am one of the owners of Specialty Sales in Pleasanton, I am writing because I have been involved in SR100s and the BAR for 2 years now and would be glad to offer my experience. There are a ton of rumors going around, I hear them every day. My basic take is there is no reason to fear too much, there are many ways to go to register and enjoy your cars. I only write to offer help to anyone who needs it. I have successfully registered over 10 cars, both SR100 and Smog Legal. I have personally talked to the top dog in Sacramento on this project for DMV, etc. Take care and enjoy. Steve

I am all ears also! I would like to know what you are speaking of???