Recent purchase of CR Body, Frame and interior

[KCMCHRIS]

I recently purchased a the remains of a totaled Lone Star Cobra. I have a 302 engine ( I believe an 1987 casting), mustang II front suspension, 8.8 rear wheels and tires radiator etc . I also found a CR body frame and interior which was never built but delivered to the customer in 1997.

I have most of the major components to build the car except the headers, side pipes, and transmission. The totaled car had a t 5 transmission in the car but was damaged.

I just purchaded a tremec tko 5 speed.

I started to put the car together and I am having issues with the parts supplied in hte CR kit:

1) The kit appears to provide 2 left motor mount brackets which bolt to the frame. Any suggestions on how to get one without manufacturing one myself? No answer when calling CRII.
2) As per the CR assembly instructions I need to use D7ZZ-6038-A and B motor mounts withe CR kit. The local autoparts store has this listing but they are no longer available. Anybody have a cross reference to another mount number to work?

3) If I can not get any of the above info, I could make something work but I have no measured diagram which shows the location of the engine on the frame rails. I hate to make something work and when I put the body on find out the engine needs to be moved forward 2 inches.

Any suggestions?

[onefastmustang]

If my memory serves me right the motor mounts in my kit looked the same. It was only through placement on the engine and into the frame did I notice there was a slight difference.

As far as the motor mounts designated by D7ZZ-6038-A. Did you check Napa Auto. They were able to cross that part number and get me something third party.

[tcrist]

When you get your headers and sidepipes just set the motor in. Snug up your headers and side pipes. be sure that the bolt that bolts the side pipe to the frame lines up (in front of the rear wheel). If it does then your motor is in the correct place.
Terry

[Double Venom]

KCM,
Give me 24 hours please and I will fix your problems.
DV

[Double Venom]

KCM,
First off the actual frame mounts are welded to your frame already. This will locate the motor where it they needs to be, second hopefully your kit came with the engine mounts that bolt directly to the motor and the bolt on frame mounts, Large "V" type bracket with a elongated hole for the correct motor mounts that bolt to the frame brackets.. From this point (Since I don't have the numbers accessible to me, make one more contact, "cpt eddie- (on the forum daily) and ask for his part numbers for the urethane mounts. You want the ones with a large "pin" that will fit iinto the frame brackets. You do not want the "horsehoe" type motor mounts. The transmission mount and the motor mounts will come as a set. If your trying to find the origiinal motor mounts listed in the original CR's manual-don't. They are no longer available and do not apply! Sorry I don't have the numbers for you but Ed will and your motor mounting/location problems are over.
Hope this makes sense to you.
DV

PS If you weren't aware of it and you probably are the Lone Star is a Duplicate of the CR's with minor mods to it. Should be a fairly easy swap out.

[Double Venom]

KCM,
I hope you're still around. The motor mounts I use are polyurethane (Red, you can get black) part # ENE-4.1122R. If you buy these buy the kit and it will include the tranny mount then all you will need is the "V" shaped frame mount (which should come with the kit) to match it all up. You can find the mounts in Jegs or Summit. (Energy Suspension)
DV

[KCMCHRIS]

DV

Yes I'm still here! I did like you said and wrote a private a note to Capteddie, I should have made it public but I am still getting used to this site.

I probably did not put to words my project correctly.

The Cobra is a CR I? from 1997, the engine mount mounts which attach to the frame are to be bolted to the frame and connected to the rubber engine mount by a 4.5 inch 3/8 inch bolt. Unfortunately the kit came with two left side "engine mount mounts" and no right. No problem, I will cut the other apart and weld it correctly. The problem is I do not have the suggested D7ZZ-6038-A and B rubber engine mounts to position the engine.

What I have decided to do is set the frame on the ground with the front and rear tires on, install the lower floor pan and fire wall and column support. Then place the engine and tranny in with the mounts and drive shaft where I believe all should be. If adjustments are needed forward or backward at least I will know that the engine will not hit the firewall or radiator. Finally I will place the body on to be sure nothing hits and the tire are in the center of the wheel wells.

Are there any suggestions or have I overlooked anything you can think of?

I have no headers or side pipes. Any problems getting them since no one answers the phone at CRII or will the exhuast determine the location of the engine?

Thanks for the help!

[Double Venom]

KCM,
The problem is the engine mounts that you have are probably right. The left one actually went to the right and the right vice versa, The problem is, the correct motor mounts which you are talking about no longer exist. Therefore the new energy suspension mounts. The new ones are flat and not shaped like a horseshoe with a bolt going through them. I think that cpteddie has the horseshoe type of mount on hand but he does not have the matching mounts to the frame,. The headers are going to be a problem for sure.

I can draw up a picture of the correct "V" frame mounts if that will help. Those with the ES mounts will solve your problem and you will not only have he correct set up but light years ahead of the old ones. the "V" mounts are real easy to make and are just flat steel welded at the correct angles. The "V" mounts directly to the frame mounts, the ES mount to the eingine then they drop down onto the "V" mounts and are bolted in with a pre-made stud that slides into the V mount.
Clear as mud?

You will need to find a set of headers aned sidepipes and your're ready to go.
DV

[capteddie]

This is what the mounts look like.


I'll see if I have a better picture and post it

[Double Venom]

AND, there is definately a left and a right. The correct mounting is the one that puts the motor the closest to the fire wall.
DV

[cobra427mnsi]

KCMCHRIS

I don't know if this will help or if it is what you are looking for. About 2 years after I built my "92 CR, I switched from a 351W to a FE427. I have the following parts from the 351 engine mountings. The CR weldments and motor mounts (1 pc-D7ZA-6038 AA and 1pc-D7ZA-6B032 A1A). These are the ones that I used for the 351 and they worked. I also have the headers and side pipes (both were ceramic coated). The side pipes are the glasspack ones from Arizona mufflers. I changed them for the CR original about 8 years ago(or less-memory isn't what it used to be) because the CR's were too restrictive. I don't think there is much glass left in them because they are louder than when first put on. They are still on the car. I am in the process of making some new quieter ones (I hope) from TurboSpiralMufflers. The headers were also ceramic coated but they could probably be re-coated as there is a little rust around the edges. I will try to attached pics of everything.
Paul

[cobra427mnsi]

Here are the pics of the motor mounts and weldments.

Paul

[MaSnaka]

Cobra427,

Can you post the dia. of your side pipes? I'm curious if they are the same as mine. I believe mine are 3" with 1 7/8" at the collector.

John

[cobra427mnsi]

MaSnaka

The muffler "glass pack" section is 4inches. The inlet/outlet to the muffler is 3" and the primary collector tubes are 1 5/8". I think those measurement are pretty close. It is hard to measure accurately the diameter of a pipe without the cross section.

Paul

[MaSnaka]

Cobra427,

Thanks,

I think they are the same as mine. I have a 390fe and was curious if your 427 had larger pipes.

John

[cobra427mnsi]

MaSnaka

Those 1 5/8" primary tubes and 3" inlet/outlet are the ones that came with the original side pipes. I just changed the center section when I went with the glass pack muffler. Originally I had a 351W in the car.
The new side pipes will have 2" primary tubes and a 4" straight shot from these tubes to the outlet.

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