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With respect to the possibility of "manufactured data" I would agree with your thoughts but for the fact that a lot of the data was retrieved from one historical collection and there was no possibility of dummied-up paperwork on most of the 2049 information. There are also period photos of the wrecked car that are not only dated (March '67) but have the current claimed owner of the car in them.
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With that said, perhaps you'd care to share some additional details of what you have, as asked for earlier in this thread. Even a current, well lit, detailed picture(s) of your "family heirloom" as it sits today might sway some to your way of thinking. Bill S. |
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To Mike, the original poster: I sure would welcome any input you might have on false claims and allegations about the "Cunningham Cobra." At this point, the more data we can assemble, the easier it is to sort fact from fiction. And photos and documents are especially helpful. Hope you haven't disappeared...
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A very interesting thread here, which I started reading re: Cobra fatality in CA. recently. I enjoyed looking up info on Paul Cunningham, and I'm at a loss as to the lack of photos of his Cobra before his fatal crash. Also, the serial number/data plate issues, as I have an old Kurtis Kraft midget from the late 40's that does not have any identifiable serial numbers on the chassis and a missing data plate. Some of these midgets were made without numbers stamped, so it's not as big a deal as this Cobra story, but I would defer to SAAC for correct Cobra info. However, never rule out the possibility of counterfeit Cobras out there in the world. A great post by Mike, and look fwd to more information as it is uncovered.
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Seems that sometimes its better to own what we own (replicas, tributes, continuations, scratch built, kits) as there are less questions about what it is.
There seems to be more CSX2000 and CSX3000 cars now than were manufactured in the 60's particular to race cars. Its great that they have turned into the ultimate collectable however that means there are things to be careful of. Once a car has a bad story, it always will as values are so high stories have a tendancy to stick or at least be written with multiple endings. Thanks to all of those that are looking at the details and trying to keep track of them and also the correct story. :cool: |
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I have spent all day trying to post photos and have been denied access with the "Php has encountered an Access Violation at 7D611952" message.
How does one upload photos to the gallery? attach directly to post? Help! |
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I'll try again, I would like to create a gallery in which I can upload photos, as raced, crash, parts, etc. Sorry for the upside down issue, original photos were right side up, I don't understand why it happened.
The Cunningham Cobra was very early in production, I've only found one car that looks like it out of tens of thousands of photos on Cobras. It was an early Cobra, possibly one of the 260ci variety, a Mark I. The single photo I found is a publicity Cobra and also was used in a publicity photo regarding "My Little Cobra - Carroll Conners". It was possibly in the first group of Mark I's that Shelby received from AC, when you look at the frame pictures, it would appear to be Cobra on one end and a ACE AC on the other, I hope someone out there is familiar with both marques. Let the discussion begin....! |
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Are those posted photos the remains of your dad's car?
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The front looks like Ace with that steering box mount in front. I’m not familiar enough with early Cobras to know I’d they had the same mount for the steering though. Maybe someone else can advise.
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Thus far, I'm not sure what I am seeing. The remains there do not appear to be those of an early worm-and-sector Cobra. And the area where a VIN may have been is no longer evident, which means it is unlikely they can be connected to a particular car.
I would add that thus far, I have received just one request for data on this car, and responded to it. |
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Michael, you say Paul Cunningham owned his Cobra. You also say it was an early car, that was red with a silver stripe, and was raced as #37. We are aware of not just the appearance of the car, but its VIN as well. We know its appearance because we have numerous photos of it after the wreck. And we know its VIN because we have copies of the car's registration from '64-'67, in the name of Ann Abiden, when it was sold to the individual who provided us the copies of his loan documents from Abiden to himself. I would very much welcome any paperwork you can offer to counter this evidence regarding the car's history.
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I see the wrecked car and I see a registration for CSX2049. How do you know that registration for CSX2049 belongs to the wrecked car? Is there any photographic evidence of the wrecked car showing a vin stamping? Isn't it possible someone tried to put together the wrong registration and the wrecked car in order to get a title if they did not have the paper work for the wrecked car? Michael, Do you know the timeframe that your mother got the frame pieces from a Shelby employee? Was it prior to March 1967? The pictures are dated March 1967 if you trust the date on those pictures. Of course the film could have been developed in 1963 and the prints could be reprints made from the negatives years later in March 1967. It does seem that the car in the pictures matches your description of what the car should look like. |
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I see the wrecked car and I see a registration for CSX2049. How do you know that registration for CSX2049 belongs to the wrecked car? Is there any photographic evidence of the wrecked car showing a vin stamping? Isn't it possible someone tried to put together the wrong registration and the wrecked car in order to get a title if they did not have the paper work for the wrecked car? We know that the wrecked car is CSX 2049 because we have tracked the car from its selling dealership to its first owner, who was Ann Abiden, and we examined the wrecked front end of the car after it had been purloined from the storage facility where its current owner had been keeping it. It showed a VIN of CSX 2049. The current owner is the same one who bought the car as a wreck from Abiden in 1967 (hence the date on the photos above), we have copies of the CA registration(s) showing both his name as well as Abiden's during the time he was paying off the loan, and he actually appears in photo #4 above. There is no question that the car Cunningham was killed in is 2049. |
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