Newbie from VT

CompFi · #1 (**permalink**) 01-07-2022, 10:48 AM

Hi all,
This post reminds me of the typical caller to every sports talk radio show: "Longtime listener, first time caller. Love the show...." And that certainly applies to me here.

I have been a lurker here on the forum for some time and learned so much. I am very grateful to all of you for assembling and sustaining such a tremendous resource. Particularly for those like me - while possessed by the Cobra for just about my entire life, I have already learned so much from this forum.

I now know BDR, CCX, CSX, ERA, FFR, and KRKM. And I probably got that last one incorrect for Kirkham.

And just because I can now decipher some of the acronyms, I still have a lot to learn.

Most importantly, just want to say thanks!

Cheers,
Brian

Mr Barnwood · #2 (**permalink**) 01-07-2022, 11:02 PM

Welcome from Ripon Calif.

PDUB · #3 (**permalink**) 01-08-2022, 02:00 AM

...from the Unique Motorcars guys! And from a Groovy UV-er... which is a bit chilly 'bout now

!

1795 · #4 (**permalink**) 01-08-2022, 08:41 AM

Welcome aboard. You can add one more to your list of acronyms, SPF for Superformance. Glad you're enjoying the site.

Jim

mrmustang · #5 (**permalink**) 01-08-2022, 09:01 AM

KMP is the acronym for Kirkham

patrickt · #6 (**permalink**) 01-08-2022, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmustang

KMP is the acronym for Kirkham

Well I didn't know that. I always thought it was "KMS."

mrmustang · #7 (**permalink**) 01-08-2022, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by patrickt

Well I didn't know that. I always thought it was "KMS."

"Kirkham Motorsports Poland" (KMP) has been how their chassis designation has always been to the best of my knowledge.

Check your chassis plate and let us know.

Bill S.

patrickt · #8 (**permalink**) 01-08-2022, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmustang

"Kirkham Motorsports Poland" (KMP) has been how their chassis designation has always been to the best of my knowledge.

Check your chassis plate and let us know.

Bill S.

Hmmm, alright, if you can find any reference like that on the Kirkham web site, then I will say you are right. If you can't, then you must say I am right. For example, this pic....

Alfa02 · #9 (**permalink**) 01-09-2022, 05:13 AM

CR or CR II is Classic Roadster with 427 bodies (Fargo ND.) JCF is (John Custom Fabrication) with 289/427 Bodies, was out of Coos Bay Ore.

twobjshelbys · #10 (**permalink**) 01-09-2022, 10:47 AM

This Bring A Trailer shows a Kirkham with a KMP tag pic
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...7-s-c-cobra-2/

This one says KMS (no tag photo, from descr)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-shelby-cobra-75/

This one has a totally different number - KC9JSLC0656
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...am-427-kms-sc/

Another different one - KC14ESLC0786
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/or...cobra-replica/

KC13KNRC0766
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...oadster-427sc/

KMP235. Also has a photo of a page from the registry with lots of KMPs.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...427-s-c-cobra/

KMP 174
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-ac-cobra-7/

So there are both KMP and KMS, with some that aren't either. Probably has to do with when they were made.

patrickt · #11 (**permalink**) 01-09-2022, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

So there are both KMP and KMS, with some that aren't either. Probably has to do with when they were made.

Dang, it's not that easy to catch MM in a mistake.

mrmustang · #12 (**permalink**) 01-09-2022, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by patrickt

Hmmm, alright, if you can find any reference like that on the Kirkham web site, then I will say you are right. If you can't, then you must say I am right. For example, this pic....

How about this quote, directly from David Kirkham himself:

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Kirkham

Thanks Ron,

Here is what I can add for now.

KMPS001 Thomas Kirkham
KMPS002 used to restore an original 289 Cobra
KMPS003 Hall Fabrication and Racing
KMPS004 Hall Fabrication and Racing
KMPS005 Kimmons Coach Craft, sold as a chassis only to be used to repair an original 289 Cobra.
KMPS006 used to restore and original 289 Cobra
KMPS008 Shelby
KMPS009 Shelby
KMPS011 Shelby
KMPS012 Shelby
KMPS013 Shelby
KMPS014 Shelby
KMPS015 Shelby
KMPS016 Shelby
KMPS017 Shelby
KMPS018 Shelby
KMPS019 Shelby
KMPS020 Shelby
KMPS021 Shelby
KMPS030 Kirkham donated this car to Cystic Fibrosis to raise money to defeat the disease.

KMP001 Crown Coachworks
KMP012 Poland, unexpectedly
KMP013 not used, the Poles thought it would bring bad luck to make the car.
KMP019 Poland, unexpectedly
KMP020 Thomas Kirkham Jr. , completed extremely close to an original car. Original suspension, brushed aluminum finish. Thomas told Kirkham workers one day he loved flames...so, when he left for lunch, his car got "flamed." Thomas drives it at Kirkham events. It has open pipes and so David Kirkham refuses to drive it. Dave Dralle built the motor. FE 427--427 cubic inches, iron block side oiler with all the right pieces.
KMP046 David Kirkham, completed extremely close to an original car. Original suspension, brushed aluminum finish with "Ghost Stripes." David used to drive this car at all Kirkham events but now prefers to drive the later, lighter cars. Dave Dralle built the motor. FE 427--stroked to 454 cubic inches, iron block side oiler with all the right pieces. At Kirkham's last track event David left the keys in the ignition and anyone could drive it who wanted to drive it.
KMP0204 Donated by Kirkham to benefit the hospital at Ground Zero which cared for victims of the 9-11 terrorist attacks. Car was auctioned off on eBay during the New York Auto Show. Many Cobra Club members (and Kirkham customers) helped to show the car. Kirkham received an enormous amount of help from Steve Sunshine and Ron Richards to organize the event.
KMP502 Cinema Vehicles used in the filming of a movie that is not yet released.
KMP503 Cinema Vehicles used in the filming of a movie that is not yet released
KMP0526 used to repair a wrecked Kirkham

I will add more tomorrow.

David

From this 2007 thread: CLICK HERE

patrickt · #13 (**permalink**) 01-09-2022, 02:31 PM

Well it does seem ol' Bill was more right than wrong.

twobjshelbys · #14 (**permalink**) 01-09-2022, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

This one says KMS (no tag photo, from descr)
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1965-shelby-cobra-75/

I went back and looked closer at the pictures and there is a tag that says KMP even though the description says KMS.

So all I can find are KMP or the longer style.

patrickt · #15 (**permalink**) 01-09-2022, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

I went back and looked closer at the pictures and there is a tag that says KMP even though the description says KMS.

So all I can find are KMP or the longer style.

Well, I'm amazed that everyone at Kirkham could continue to mislabel their cars that way, but mistakes do happen.

1ntCobra · #16 (**permalink**) 01-10-2022, 10:48 AM

In the SAAC 4th edition registry (that had Kirkhams in it), there are are cars identified with either the KMP or KMPS prefixes. KMPS was initially for small block cars, but they stopped using KMPS after the 40th small block car.

The registry also show longer numbers starting with KMP259, which has the longer number KH3CNLC0259. So it appears that KMP259 is an abbreviated version of the longer serial number.

So I guess the following tag would use the abbreviated number KMP656:

1ntCobra · #17 (**permalink**) 01-10-2022, 10:57 AM

I guess you can have a suffix too.

55312 · #18 (**permalink**) 01-10-2022, 02:59 PM

Seems like the original poster got lost in the usual nonsense.

Welcome my fine feathered friend from VT. I sent you a private message last night.

Tim

Green Mountain Cobras

1795 · #19 (**permalink**) 01-10-2022, 03:11 PM

Yes, the OP might be a little overwhelmed. Maybe we should warn new people that on posts the train tends to jump the track and go two to three tracks over before becoming completely derailed here.

patrickt · #20 (**permalink**) 01-10-2022, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 1795

Yes, the OP might be a little overwhelmed. Maybe we should warn new people that on posts the train tends to jump the track and go two to three tracks over before becoming completely derailed here.

Yep, reminds me of when I was at a show many years ago and I would always stick a little cardboard sign on my windshield telling people what my car was. One kid asked his dad "what's an E.R.A.?" And his dad replied "English Racing Automobiles." I let that go. A little while later two guys came up, looked at the car, and one said "you can just tell this is aluminum, it'll bend if you even touch it." I let that one go too. Finally, towards the end of the day, two twenty-ish girls came up and looked at the car, one said it was the same car James Bond drove, and then the other said "this had to cost ten thousand dollars, maybe more." The second one replied "naaah, not that much." I called it a day....