Soo many cobra and ....... - Page 2

bnewell · #21 (**permalink**) 03-20-2003, 03:46 PM

I'd have to agree with Ernie...........FINANCIAL SUICIDE AT ITS BEST!!!! Hell, you might as well buy some Enron stock while your at it!!!

Brian

djseed · #22 (**permalink**) 03-20-2003, 04:18 PM

By going with the Chevy engine, there is much more work involved. SPF does not make engine mounts or headers for SBC. ERA makes mounts, but not headers. These will all have to be custom made. Too much work for me.

scottj · #23 (**permalink**) 03-20-2003, 04:27 PM

You can cut the flange off an SPF Ford header and weld the header to an LS1 flange, the exhaust pattern is almost identical.

There is a guy in hear that's done it, ls1ac is his username.

Scott

Jeff Frigo · #24 (**permalink**) 03-20-2003, 05:06 PM

Im glad you picked the SPF. Good luck. Better save about $50k though.

JWheaton · #25 (**permalink**) 03-20-2003, 08:01 PM

Hoss,

Don't you dare put a chevy into an ERA!

I was going to give you some latitude since you are a democrat. Not many of us on this site. But nahh, go with the SPF and still have a great car

Good luck with your build

Excaliber · #26 (**permalink**) 03-20-2003, 09:45 PM

scottj,,,
There is actually somebody in the Club here with an SPF and Cheby in it? How'd dat happen?? Oh wait, he must be from down under or across the pond? It's OK "over or under" there.

Hross14
You could save about 20K if you went with an FFR, you'd get in a car quicker to! And I guess a Cheby wouldn't be "so bad" in one of those, lol.

Actually, I like MoPars! And who's got the Buick V6 in a Cobra? MAN, his 1/4 mile times are better than a lot of big blocks. And thats a V6 WITHOUT turbo!!!! Amazing, (but it aint in an ERA/SPF)!

Ernie

E-M_Z06_COBRA · #27 (**permalink**) 03-21-2003, 09:50 AM

Ernie,
The person with the buick v6 is John Spina. it is an evrett-morison with a Grandnational motor. and it is turbo charged too.

http://www.casperselectronics.com/cobra.htm

Tongue Pirate · #28 (**permalink**) 03-21-2003, 10:14 AM

Don't do it! ERA/SPF cars were built to be clones & resale reflects that a little more than many Replicas. If you are really going to spend the extra $$$ to get one of these wonderful cars please do it right! After all don't you want people to ask you if its real? But really, it's not about being a chevy guy or a ford guy. Personally I have been a chevy guy most of my life & have access to chevy parts more than I do Ford & I am also fairly young & can't afford to do this all at once. I am going to take my time in order to make my car a clone. I want people to see my car sitting with the hood open &/or rolling down the road & I want them to wonder, is it real? Not because I need that satisfaction, because I don't see any sense in spending this kind of money on a car that isn't true to the Legend. That is why I am spending the extra money to get an ERA . One last note. How many times have we all said that we weren't ever going to sell something & ended up doing so to get something different? I beg of you! Do it with an appropriate ford block!

Excaliber · #29 (**permalink**) 03-21-2003, 10:34 AM

I was thinking of "JUSTA6", naturally aspirated Buick V6. I think he was running in the 10's or 9's at the drag. Lsst I heard he was contemplating going with a puffer to get even faster.

Ernie

snake oil · #30 (**permalink**) 03-21-2003, 04:12 PM

YEAH AND I'M DA OTHER GUY WITH A V6 TURBO.

George Snyder · #31 (**permalink**) 03-21-2003, 05:20 PM

I have to agree with the Guys when they say that the valve will decline with a SBC. There is a Tradition that you really should consider. I know that was the driving factor when I chose a 5.0 for my Car.

It is really not that bad going into a Performance Shop and asking for Ford Parts.

Now on the other hand, if you did install a SBC....

If you attend Cruise Nights and things like that, at least you will not be totally alienated by the Chevy Guys and you should still be allowed to converse in performance conversations.

All kidding aside, pick yourself a nice Ford motor!

Edley Rondinone · #32 (**permalink**) 03-21-2003, 05:59 PM

C'mon, guys! In the fourth reply, from hross14 himself, he said that "he will have a 351 built to slap in it if I ever do decide to sell it." It's HIS car, he can run whatever he wants! Its like the cost of SBF over SBC: it isnt THAT much, and once you do it, its over, cost-wise, for good. Welcome to the Club!!

E-M_Z06_COBRA · #33 (**permalink**) 03-23-2003, 12:03 PM

OK what I'm going to say may offend some people and if it dose.... I'm Sorry. But when you build a car what you decide to put in it or on it is all personal preference. your building the car for you and only you. I like fords don't get me wrong, But I love chevys. And in my opinion when push comes to shove and you put the peddle to the floor that chevy motor is going to walk away from the ford. its been proven on more than one occasion. I also don't see how putting a chevy motor in a Cobra REPLICA will lower the value. if anything a setup like that may bring the value up do to rarity. IF you feel I'm wrong thats just fine every one is entitled to there opinion.

Russ Dickey · #34 (**permalink**) 03-23-2003, 12:22 PM

EM Z06 Cobra:
I respect your opinion, and agree that hey, it's his car, he should do what makes him happy and build it however he wants. That's what makes our country great.

However, I have to say that you are making a complete generalization when you say that your Z06-powered Cobra will flat walk away from a Ford-powered Cobra, and I'm sure that there are fellas on this website who would love to take that challenge. It all depends on which engine you pick and what modifications have been done to it.

I'm assuming that you're comparing your stock Z06 to a stock Ford Smallblock, correct? Cuz I'm pretty sure a stock 427 S/O will inhale your little bow-tie without much problem. And to pit modern powerplants together, I'm sure that one of Ford Motorsports 351 crate motors with similiar induction would give you a hard run. The hp and torque numbers are very close (as is the cost and price of installation).

That being said, I agree with most of the folks who've responded that it's really about tradition. It wasn't called the Shelby Ford Cobra for nothing. Nothing against Chevrolet, but their motors belong in a different fiberglass car.

Oh, and when Chevy wins a sports car World Manufacturers Championship, or LeMans, or produces a vehicle which can be called "The World's Fastest Production Car", then we'll talk.

Sorry, had to get that last little dig in.

Russ

E-M_Z06_COBRA · #35 (**permalink**) 03-23-2003, 07:01 PM

Russ,
I'm not saying any thing about my car walking away from anything. I was making a generalization on what i have seen and experienced with chevys and fords. when i first started planing for the cobra, i was with you 427 side oiler all the way. but then i weighed out the factors. its heavy it doesn't idle runs hot and its a hell of a lot more money than i had to spend. so what i did was built a tricked out ls6 that would more than likely hold its own agents a big block.
Thanks for being understanding about my opinion.

PS. what other push rod motor do u know of that you can get 500 natural aspirated hp on pump gas thats under 350 ci and still gets 25 m.p.g???

sorry, just had to get that last little dig in.

coosawjack · #36 (**permalink**) 03-24-2003, 05:01 AM

My 408W stroker fits the bill and gets over 27 MPG with 0.63:1 overdrive and 3.55 gears. 1650 RPM,s @ 65 MPH in 5th!!

What I don't understand is how you plan to plug in a 351W if you decide to sell it?? Sounds like a serious re-engineering job to me!!??

Good Luck in whatever you decide to do!! It'll be big time fun either way!!!

Jack

Excaliber · #37 (**permalink**) 03-24-2003, 10:02 PM

EM_ZO6

I think your generalization of SBC vs SBF is outdated. For many years, I would have had to agree. But for many years, the field has not only been a level playing field there are more guys than ever before going with FORD motors for RACING.

The problem has ALWAYS been, money! It was simply cheaper easier to buy after market parts for Chevs because the basic block has been around SO long.

Today it is just as easy to build a Ford motor as a Chevy.

And yeah, many a FORD Cobra out there would eat your ZO6 for lunch!

Ernie

Tongue Pirate · #38 (**permalink**) 03-25-2003, 07:58 AM

I've got an Idea! I'm going to start searching for a 63' Vette in need of total restoration & I'm going to put a 351w in it!

Pete C · #39 (**permalink**) 03-25-2003, 08:10 AM

Henry,

The SPFs and ERAs are both solid choices. The debate over which oneis best, has gone on at length on this site. I am biased as I own an ERA but at over 20 years old it is still in great shape and sound enough to run on the track as well as the street. If I were ever to get another fiber glass replica it would be an ERA without question!

3 of the 4 cars in the picture below are ERA cars.

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/s...t=1&thecat=500

Below is My 20 + year old ERA at Sears Point

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/s...t=1&thecat=500

Good luck, Pete C

hross14 · #40 (**permalink**) 03-25-2003, 08:22 AM

Dear Jack, Ernie and Baker....a 63 vette IS AN ORIGINAL. A Replicar is not an original and just an interpretation of the original. Also lets look at the numbers from an engineering stand point, Camaro @ ~3400lbs can get ~22-26 mpg and the engine weighs ~400 lbs. It will idle well and get better emissions (Important me and for my neices and nephews) and will be driven almost everyday. Hey what am i saying it will be my daily driver. It is also no secret that small and or big block (of early vintage) cannot really sustain high RPMS due to cavitation in the oil pan....they were just never built to do that. And yes i could build a SBF that pumped out massives of power but i do not think the realiability would be there....mpg....driveability....weight. Weight is important because i really like to road race. I am not really into the whole straight line thing (though it can be fun). Less weight through the corners has an inverse realtionship with inertia. Then from a $$ standpoint i can but my LS6 package and have more relatively realiable and cheap power. But then again i wonder what the Brits were thinking when they found out that we were ruining there nimble little car with this "caveman motor". "There goes the Americans who are once again over paid, over sexed and over here". I do not mean to offend anybody by choosing this particular drive train but i am just looking at cost per value. HAHA Yeah dont every take any accounting classes it will ruin how you thyink about money forever. What a terrific discussion this has been.