options for selling your car?

achbar · #1 (**permalink**) 06-11-2003, 08:35 PM

Hello,

I've been browsing this forum for awhile (mostly looking at these awesome cars and dreaming) and I thought that some of you might like to know that there's a site called collectorcarsforsale.com that's offering free ads to people selling cars. I think they just opened up because there's only like 4 or 5 cars on it now.

Though it's not as nice as this forum, it is dedicated to collector cars so it may be an option for some of you.

Thanks,
Dan

mrmustang · #2 (**permalink**) 06-12-2003, 07:47 PM

And is it such a coincidence that your both from the Atlanta Georgia area.......

Registrant:
Scott Edwards
PO Box 223
Griffin, Georgia 30223
United States

Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: COLLECTORCARSFORSALE.COM
Created on: 10-May-03
Expires on: 10-May-04
Last Updated on: 10-May-03

Administrative Contact:
Edwards, Scott dedbob@mindspring.com
PO Box 223
Griffin, Georgia 30223
United States
6784647885 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Edwards, Scott dedbob@mindspring.com
PO Box 223
Griffin, Georgia 30223
United States
6784647885 Fax --

Do you think that playing people off as being really stupid is the right way to advertise your web site. I think not. Don't go away mad, just go away

And before you say another word, perhaps I've seen the same type of posts for vettetrader.net on the Corvette forums...All linked to your same IP address.............Stupid is as stupid does............................

Registrant:
Scott Edwards
PO Box 223
Griffin, Georgia 30223
United States

Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: VETTETRADER.NET
Created on: 29-Apr-02
Expires on: 29-Apr-04
Last Updated on: 13-Apr-03

Administrative Contact:
Edwards, Scott dedbob@mindspring.com
PO Box 223
Griffin, Georgia 30223
United States
(770) 361-6133 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Edwards, Scott dedbob@mindspring.com
PO Box 223
Griffin, Georgia 30223
United States
(770) 361-6133 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
DNS1.SITETURN.COM
DNS2.SITETURN.COM

frankym · #3 (**permalink**) 06-13-2003, 08:55 AM

whooaa,

Mr. Mustang, I know that like most people, you probably don't like being pitched under the guise of being helped, but this guy didn't hurt anyone, maybe it's his friend, maybe it's not, who cares, it hasn't cost you a nickel, he even mentioned there isn't much to see at the other site, so give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he could've simply said his friend started the site and if anyone feels like broadening their classified reach in the atlanta area.... life's short, let's all be a little more kind. I always find this site to be a welcome, car guys' kind of place, where people try to get helpful information as much as they try to disseminate helpful information. I find Dan's reccommendation less intrusive than getting 16 reminders to a thread because 2 guys carry on a private conversation, so let's keep it all in perspective.

Enjoy your car, I think you got a really sweet deal! Happy motoring-

Frank

mrmustang · #4 (**permalink**) 06-14-2003, 03:53 PM

Hey Frank,

I just see it on the newsgroups, hate to see the same thing on this forum. if you have a business to promote, or another website, then buy a banner ad. Can't say it any simpler than that. However, for someone to come in here under the guise of "hey, look what I found", when in reality, they own the site, then that is like a slap in the face, or calling us stupid..........I just happened to point it out to anyone else who might be suckered in to his "for profit" website..............Nothing more, nothing less.....................

Bill S.

ScottEd · #5 (**permalink**) 08-03-2003, 05:59 PM

I was browsing search engines for my site and I came across this forum message on Google.

I'm a bit taken back by this suggestion that I posted this top post about my own site.

Not to start a flame war, but this thread has some serious issues that I will address:

First of all... do you know how many people live in Atlanta? The chance that someone in Atlanta posted this message is not that much of a stretch being that Interland, Air2Web, and the second largest internet service provider, EarthLink, is located in Atlanta? Not to mention how many other technology jobs are located here.

Secondly, how do you know that the person that made that post is from Atlanta? I see nothing in the profile that would suggest his/her location.

As for your question: "Do you think that playing people off as being really stupid is the right way to advertise your web site. I think not. Don't go away mad, just go away"... I don't think anyone here is stupid, because this is my first post and I know nothing about anyone here. Your suggestion that I have done this is at the least unprofessional and completely without merit.

And your second statement:
"And before you say another word, perhaps I've seen the same type of posts for vettetrader.net on the Corvette forums...All linked to your same IP address.............Stupid is as stupid does............................" same ip address? **perhaps** you've seen the same types of posts in Corvette Forums? First of all, what ip is it that you are referring to? Can you link this ip to me in ANY WAY AT ALL? #1 I don't have a static IP for my internet connection, and #2, even if I did, I'm not stupid either and I do in fact, work for an technology company in Atlanta. I understand how IP's work and how they are trackable. What posts are you referring to in the Corvette Forums? If you have such information, please post the link and we can see if you really know what you are talking about. It doesn't seem that you do.

I do own both CorvetteTraderOnline.com and CollectorCarsForSale.com and there is nothing wrong with that. You can post my whois information all day long. The fact is, you have nothing to back up your derogatory suggestions that I have posted the above message in ANY attempt to try and deceive anyone in this group.

Your final post:
I just see it on the newsgroups, hate to see the same thing on this forum. if you have a business to promote, or another website, then buy a banner ad. Can't say it any simpler than that. However, for someone to come in here under the guise of "hey, look what I found", when in reality, they own the site, then that is like a slap in the face, or calling us stupid..........I just happened to point it out to anyone else who might be suckered in to his "for profit" website..............Nothing more, nothing less....................." I do promote my site legit PERIOD. If you have evidence to the contrary, then hey... post away and let's look at your supposed information. As a matter of fact, I will flat out challenge you to find even ONE time that I have not done so.

Finally, your posts concerning this thread are (I feel) derogatory to and about me and my web sites. Your suggestive remarks that I am treating people like they're stupid, and that I'm not promoting my site correctly/professionally are completely unjustified. I am in internet professional and I conduct my site, and my site promotion in a professional manner.

I would appreciate it if you would either apologize for your unfounded suggestions and edit your post, removing these condescending remarks/suggestions about me and my websites, or come up with some proof to back up what you say.

Thank you frankym for being a professional internet user.

Thank You for your time.
Scott Edwards

Excaliber · #6 (**permalink**) 08-03-2003, 06:09 PM

I went to that site shortly after the first post was made. The post and the site left me with a "funny feeling" the post was somehow related to the "postee".

I just figured becuase of that, it wasn't worth commenting on. Kind of an interesting site, kind of a wierd way to "announce" it.

Feels like,,,,,,,,,,,spam.

I have no ax to grind one way or another, don't care one way or another. I'm just a "surfer", this is how the post and the site it directed me to "feel".

Go figure........

(I didn't bother to add it to my "Favorites", but maybe some will like it).

Ernie

mrmustang · #7 (**permalink**) 08-03-2003, 06:49 PM

Scott,

The wonderful thing about the web is that you get "what you pay for"..No need for me to go into it any further, as the trace routes told the tale.....As did the posting style of the intial poster (here and elsewhere). The internet is a simple place, but when you come to a forum such as this, you want to advertise, you buy a banner...No more, no less................

Bill S.

ScottEd · #8 (**permalink**) 08-03-2003, 08:05 PM

yeah ok. Still no substance to your claims and still no information to back up what you said. You obviously can't even provide ONE sentence of something verifiably substantial... Nothing more, nothing less...

**yawn**

CSX 4039 · #9 (**permalink**) 08-03-2003, 10:46 PM

what's a trace route?

ScottEd · #10 (**permalink**) 08-03-2003, 11:25 PM

A trace route is where you do a trace from one point or IP on the internet to another. It will give you what servers you "hop" to get to your final location and if it fails, you will be able to see where it fails or what server may be down or causing a problem between you and a particular website or server etc.

If you're on a windows machine, just bring up a dos prompt and type in tracert google.com. It will then print out all of the servers you have to go through to get to google.com from your current connection.

You have to have a start point and a finish point. The start point would be you/your ISP and the finish point would be google.com.

It's a standard internet function, which I doubt mrmustang could have used to trace anything. If he were to try and trace an ip address of a person that posted a message, he would get hops to that person, and nothing more, and that's IF that particular person still had that IP address AT the exact time he did the trace. Being that when most people connect to the internet, their ISP assigns them a different IP address for each connection, that's a small possibility (unless you have paid for a static ip address or have an always on connection which I do not have).

If I were to do a traceroute to you, all I would end up with of much use at the end, would be your IP address and that's pretty much what I started out with. Traceroutes are worthless for what he's talking about, because he can't produce the same ip that posted more than one of these "supposed" posts. If you can produce the same ip and show that ip was used to post messages in multiple places, you can pretty much determine that it was the same person that made each of those posts. BUT, even if you did find what he's suggesting (which you won't), you'd have to tie it to a person, which you can't do without going through a legal proceeding to subpoena logs from the ISP that owns that IP address.

Again... he has nothing to back up what he's saying.

Scott

mrmustang · #11 (**permalink**) 08-04-2003, 05:18 AM

Spam is spam, let's face it, YAWN right back at you..................As for static or dynamic IP address, the trace route shows where it came from, and who's ISP it did...Couple that with a really good search engine, add in your dynamics along with the original poster, and lo and behold a similar pattern shows up. I will say no more, as I will not tip my hand further. Everyone can figure it out for themselves.................Finally, let's face it Scott, you might not know me (different user names on different sites), but I most certainly know you................Bottom line, you want to advertise on this forum, spend the $600 and buy a banner ad....

computerworks · #12 (**permalink**) 08-04-2003, 07:14 AM

The Cobras For Sale forum is meant for.... Cobras for sale.

...not for arguments like this.

I have communicated with Scott and he claims that "someone" made the first post, but not him.

Bill, you have stated your point and thanks for being protective of the forum's content and integrity. Scott has responded to your allegations.

Now, all ...move on, please.

No need to respond...just let the thread go.

Thanks
Ron
ClubCobra Moderator

casaleenie · #13 (**permalink**) 08-04-2003, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ScottEd

A trace route is where you do a trace from one point or IP on the internet to another. It will give you what servers you "hop" to get to your final location and if it fails, you will be able to see where it fails or what server may be down or causing a problem between you and a particular website or server etc.

If you're on a windows machine, just bring up a dos prompt and type in tracert google.com. It will then print out all of the servers you have to go through to get to google.com from your current connection.

You have to have a start point and a finish point. The start point would be you/your ISP and the finish point would be google.com.

It's a standard internet function, which I doubt mrmustang could have used to trace anything. If he were to try and trace an ip address of a person that posted a message, he would get hops to that person, and nothing more, and that's IF that particular person still had that IP address AT the exact time he did the trace. Being that when most people connect to the internet, their ISP assigns them a different IP address for each connection, that's a small possibility (unless you have paid for a static ip address or have an always on connection which I do not have).

If I were to do a traceroute to you, all I would end up with of much use at the end, would be your IP address and that's pretty much what I started out with. Traceroutes are worthless for what he's talking about, because he can't produce the same ip that posted more than one of these "supposed" posts. If you can produce the same ip and show that ip was used to post messages in multiple places, you can pretty much determine that it was the same person that made each of those posts. BUT, even if you did find what he's suggesting (which you won't), you'd have to tie it to a person, which you can't do without going through a legal proceeding to subpoena logs from the ISP that owns that IP address.

Again... he has nothing to back up what he's saying.

Scott

Uhhhh, what's a trace route???

What's an IP????
what's a DOS prompt???

I saw a deer the other day!