Classic Roadsters customer complaint to the Attorney General of North Dakoda - Page 6

Double Venom · #**101** (**permalink**) 05-10-2003, 06:40 AM

Ernie,
YES they will

If your Exc. has the cross over "cats" still in place, you wont believe the difference in torque and horsepower gains you will make with the straight side pipe set up!

DV

dscott · #**102** (**permalink**) 05-10-2003, 09:56 AM

Ernie, I do have access to the original Excaliber type headers with the crossover system if you need a set. I would go with the standard header if I were you. The gain will be tremendous.

As far as headers from me, I don't have anything yet since the deal with Classic isn't finished. We are working very hard to get this done and are close. We have had some of the people involved away on business last week and this upcoming week so another wait. I'm still very confident this deal will go through.
Don

Excaliber · #**103** (**permalink**) 05-10-2003, 10:31 AM

I removed the cats, air pump and other "smog" related items within hours of when I FIRST bought the car. The increase in power was immediately felt.

The original header "collector" was then "piped" through a single exhaust pipe to the side pipe on the same side rather than "crossing over" like the old style. The weight of the side pipe being carried ONLY by the header is what cracks them. Attempts to mount the side pipes, headers and engine "solid" have not helped.

I assume most Cobra headers DO carry the weight of the side pipes with only a single "hanger" at the rear (exit) of the pipe? If no additional hangers are used I guess this means "other manufacturers" headers are "stronger" and can carry the weight?

The original Excal headers are real short. Looks like the "flow" characteristics are terrible! Workmanship is AWFUL inside. Not at all "smooth", plenty of "stuff" hanging out in the "air stream".

I WILL BUY RIGHT NOW a set of headers for my Excal. I ASSUME some modifications will have to be made to get them to fit (bolt to) my exisiting side pipes? By the way, maybe I should just go with side pipes too? Mine are TOTALLY blown out. Love the performance but MAN are they LOUD! And the chrome is SO HOT!

Need some prices here!!!!

And while were at it,,,,,what's it going to take to get some coil overs on the rear (at least, maybe the front to)?

Ernie

dscott · #**104** (**permalink**) 05-10-2003, 11:08 AM

Ernie, The sidepipes you have won't bolt up to the standard header. They don't reach in as far as the stock sidepipe.

I can get 302 headers for $350, plain sidepipes with the good mufflers are $350. Front Carrera coilovers run $390. Rear Pro-Shock coilovers run $390.

You will need to have the sidepipes and headers coated. They came as plain steel. The weight of the sidepipes is supported at the front by the headers. I haven't seen a problem with this and I'm pretty sure everyone does it that way. Since the motor has to move from the engine torque the only way to eliminate it is with a solid motor mount.
Don

fatman · #**105** (**permalink**) 05-11-2003, 04:27 PM

Star;My name is Doug McLane 1st time here in awhile Iwill file a complaint I will share my experience w/you I sued CR . others the others i will not comment on but I will help you anyway I can Rutherford is way to slick for me or any average person that does not have ill intentions.e mail me and I will send you a copy of my filed complaint.

Art Burtt · #**106** (**permalink**) 05-13-2003, 07:12 PM

Just got letter back from Att.Gen. and attached letter from Tom
Eide answering them. He added a list of parts that they have sent me already and ship dates on what looks to be the entire interior and rear main wiring harness. Shipping date is to be 5/15.
I certainly hope so.

Excaliber · #**107** (**permalink**) 05-13-2003, 07:38 PM

Hey Don,,,,you got e-mail from me!

Ernie

starwolf56 · #**108** (**permalink**) 05-14-2003, 04:53 AM

I too received the letter from the AG of ND.It has the response letter from Tom Eide. It also had the back ordered parts list. Not entirely accurate. I have called Pete at CR three times in the past week and could not get him on the phone,left messages. No response as of yet.
I will call the AG tomorrow,to give them a update and my response to the letter.
Charlie Robbins

starwolf56 · #**109** (**permalink**) 05-22-2003, 07:49 PM

I received the seats and door panels today. They look great!
A few other small items came too. With the help from Pete Johnson at IMAR/CR;the list is getting smaller. I believe that Tom Eide has made a commitment to clean up the back order mess. At last!
Still looking for the convertable top,several wiring harnesses,door hinges and some other small items.
I think I'm getting the fever. Looking forward to meeting you guys at the Fling. I'll be the one driving a Silverado.
Starwolf56

J. T. Toad · #**110** (**permalink**) 05-22-2003, 08:14 PM

I certainly hope that I have not received mine due to shipping distances, as it has been over a year since I received my kit!

I will anxiously await the famous UPS driver!

Art Burtt · #**111** (**permalink**) 05-22-2003, 08:28 PM

Starwolf,
Mine came today also,a lot of glue on the seats,thankfully
it came off with alcohol. I guess we will have a long wait for rear harness,which is the only thing stopping me from putting the body on. Headers and side pipes are at Jet Hot,hopefully they will be back soon. I went ot a cruise night on Tues. and there were 6 Cobras there. They all left at the same time,man did that sound nice!

J. T. Toad · #**112** (**permalink**) 05-30-2003, 10:31 PM

Never, in my life, have I dealt with so many sleazey people in one industry than I have since I purchased this kit in Feb. of '02. This is, of course, irrespective of Don and DV and the recent people I have been dealing with in the last month. Those squeaky wheels out there are fortunate with the parts received, but I, the fool, thought better of them. This is incredibly sad that we truly do live in a litigious society where honor is now a dirty word.

{del, del, del}

hey, you got yours, right??

anybody want to buy a kit?

Double Venom · #**113** (**permalink**) 05-31-2003, 05:19 AM

JT,
Hang in there fella, we're trying! I know Don is up to his eyeballs and then some in this acquisistion. Of course it takes twice as long, then multiply by three to get results.

In the mean time, come to the Fling, have a cookie and enjoy! We'll do everything possible to make sure "your" Cobra will be available for DVSF IV!

DV....

here's a sneak preview of what's to come

J. T. Toad · #**114** (**permalink**) 06-01-2003, 08:53 AM

DV,
you and I have spoken enough to know where I might be coming from.. but, I am now at my limit, this thred can do nothing but hurt the CR reputation and future purchases.

There are more lawyers in this forum who know much more than I, the argument could be made that by not satisfying prior debts in chronolgical order they have now crossed the line from being negligent to being criminal, and now, like others, I am forced to take action which leaves a bitter taste in my mouth for being patient and kind.

Unfortunatly the chances of me attending the fling have now disappeared as the last thing I want to meet is someone who has received their parts AHEAD of me because they contacted the Atty. General

I little childish? maybe but I had purchased this kit to build for my aging father (he is a good man, and deserves a little fun for having me as a son

)in FEB. of last year, and guess what condition the kit is still in due to CR/IMAR lack of respect.

despite this, I do certainly wish you the best success, as I know you will. I just do not want to participate.

Respectfully.....

starwolf56 · #**115** (**permalink**) 06-01-2003, 10:25 AM

JT
My order was placed with CR/Imar way back in October of 2001.Not that this should make a difference.All of the past customers of CR/Gary Rutherford that have received the short end of the stick are frustrated and angry.Let's direct this energy in that direction. EVERYONE deserves to get their parts. I too am still missing key parts that prevent assembly.
The complaints I filed with the BBB and the AGO were not entirely self interest complaints.I did include the fact that many were not getting what they paid for from this company.In a previous post I asked for support of this formal complaint. The AGO does in fact wants to know about companies/people doing business in their good state,in a very questionable manner.And yes,I do believe that this complaint led to some parts being shipped to me.After my last talk with Gary Rutherford,I was convinced that if it were up to him,we could all go to H***!
That guy makes me see red!
In conclusion,I refuse to run from CR/IMAR or Gary Rutherford like a dog thats been kicked too many times. I'll go back at them with renewed energy.I won't give up. I'll be at the Fling and I hope you will reconsider.
Charlie

Double Venom · #**116** (**permalink**) 06-01-2003, 03:14 PM

JT... That Sir is NO exscuse to show up. Their are many shoulders to cry on and first in line will be me! Take your pick, left or right. I'm thinking of getting all the CR's guys together so they CAN compare notes, and join forces! Don will be here too! I know he and I are more than a little interested in what is happening/happened to you guys. Believe me we're still doing everything we can do to help!

DV..C'mon, join us. Have a cookie, enjoy the better side of this mess. Truly, there is a better side!

Ken Greene · #**117** (**permalink**) 06-01-2003, 08:06 PM

Dv i for one want to know all there is to be known about the CR. and i can't wait for the day when Don can call it his own

Fling!!!!

starwolf56 · #**118** (**permalink**) 06-08-2003, 08:19 AM

Pete at CR/IMAR returned my call thursday.They are still working on the backordered parts. Some progress is being made. He tells me my convertable top is going to ship 6-9-03. Still trying
to get the wiring harnesses and door hinges. The back order list is still about 14 items.
Tom Eide,in a response letter to the AGO dated 5-1-03,stated sales efforts were halted for the car business. I hope that this is a positive step for Don and DV.

J. T. Toad · #**119** (**permalink**) 06-08-2003, 08:43 AM

I don't think stopping sales efforts is a good thing at all, textbook sign of the death of a kit company.

starwolf56 · #**120** (**permalink**) 06-08-2003, 09:29 AM

I didn't post the whole response letter from Tom Eide. It goes on to say : "The acquisition continues to be negotiated and may ultimately be the best solution." The concern for the car portion of the business has been gone for a long time,as evidenced by the backorders and customer service. Surely these people know that they themselves,have destroyed that part of their business. The only logical conclusion would be to sell. At least they would get something for the remains of the car business.
Don and DV ARE the guys that can make this car great! Period!
Tom Eide, if your listening, let's get this deal signed so that we can all move on.
Charlie