JCF: It was a good idea at the time.... - Page 2

HI Cobra · #21 (**permalink**) 05-16-2009, 08:06 PM

Mike,
You aren't getting any younger. Sounds like you need to do like Alan and
get a truck, some friends, and go get it. If he hasn't done it in seven years,
what makes you think he will do it in seven more? How old will you be then?
Getting closer to Rascal driving time I'd be thinking. Don't wait any longer.
Once you fire the Cobra up and go for a ride you will be kicking yourself for
not having taken charge earlier. Good luck!

aks801 · #22 (**permalink**) 05-16-2009, 08:53 PM

To those advocating illegal means to obtain your desired result (such as extortion, trespassing, harassment, assault and battery...), I think it shows 1) remarkably poor judgement to put that kind of thing in writing in a public forum and 2) advocate that someone else consider taking that course of action.

I'm just saying you might want to think first before posting it on the forum. I know the OP has been wronged, but at this point it's a matter at best for the civil courts. Try not and turn it into something more severe.

Mike48 · #23 (**permalink**) 05-17-2009, 12:26 AM

I do appreciate everyones input, but for the record, I have no intention of doing anything illegal and I don't think those who posted such ideas were really serious. And, I can't go up and get the car for a couple of reasons the biggest is that I don't get paid during the summer (teacher) and I don't have the money to finish the car and make it through until the next paycheck. I would have to get the car and some money from JCF and that plan has already been rejected. I have given up on the car and bought something else and it will have to do. I am also resigned to the fact that John may never be honest with me about why he has not built the car, but if he can live with it I'm going to have to.

Jim Holden · #24 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 06:08 AM

"I would have to get the car and some money from JCF ."

Mike:

I think the odds of what you would like to happen are next to zero. It would appear that you have two choices. The first is to arrange to go get the car, then determine the cost to finish it. If it is a significant amount, then you have to decide on whether or not to bear the time and expense of commencing a legal action (i.e.; hire an attorney and try a case in a location eight hours away) and endure the possibility of an uncertain outcome. The alternative is to sue for breach of contract, demanding a full refund. However, this too, will, after legal fees and months, if not years of legal proceedings, never make you whole and will never get you back the six years you have lost.

My recommendation is to cut your losses; take the car as is and move on; you'll be ahead of the game.

Jim

Mike48 · #25 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 01:21 PM

Thank you for your input and I agree that the chance of my getting the car (at least in the near future) are pretty slim. JCF is contracted to send me a check every month that the car is not delivered and John/JCF is not in violstion of that contract. If I go get the car I have to pay to go get it and pay to finish it as opposed to getting a check every month until the finished car is delivered. Right now, the car is 6 years and 3 months past the first promised delivery date. A few more years, at this point, doesn't matter to me.

mongoose7 · #26 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 02:07 PM

Mike, if the car is that close to finish. Why not just trailer it home and finish it yourself?
Steve

Mike48 · #27 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 03:40 PM

It is so close that JCF could finish it in a few days if they put the effort into it. But, that's the problem I've had to deal with for all these years; getting them to work the car. Cobra/AC Replica or not, dealing with John/JCF over the past 6 years and 9 months has been like masturbating with sand-paper and I'm done. I've lost interest in the car so I'll just take the money.

RedBarchetta · #28 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike48

I contractred JCF/Johns Custom Fabrication out of Coos Bay, OR to build a turn-key slabside and was promised a 6 month build/delivery time. That was over six and one half years ago...John is a nice guy...At the four year mark I asked John why the car had not been completed and his answer was "because it hasn't".

I have read every response to this thread. And I'm still scratching my head. How does "nice guy" and "horse$#!t attitude" fit in the same opening description of the issue at hand?

From my viewpoint, he's not a nice guy and definitely not a man of his word. Forget the fact that you may have lost interest in the car. You still have rights and you could still flat bed that sucker back to your place and find a willing buyer that wishes to put into it what little time (???) is apparently required to make it road worthy.

Do what you want, but please don't be coming into a public forum whining about your predicament if you're not willing to grow some and grab the bull by the horns. I honestly wish I could help you...you seem like a nice guy. Maybe too nice.

-Dean

Mike48 · #29 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 04:43 PM

Dean...please don't be comming to a "public forum" telling me not to post. And, I'm "whinining" about as much as you're "whinning" about how I'm dealing with JCF. You were credible right up to the point of getting personal. Again,the only reason I'm posting is to give warning to others that might want to deal with him. I have a contract with JCF that they are not in violation of and I am content with. And, it is my personal opion that John is a nice guy in the sense that he is personable; anyone who as met the guy agrees. Un-organized and the definition of irresponsible, but still personable. And, for what it's worth, I'm open to selling the car to anyone who wants to and go and get it. But, unless someone is going to buy it where it is, I'm not going to stop taking the monthly money.

RedBarchetta · #30 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 07:18 PM

Mike, sorry if I came off as getting personal...that was not my intent. I wish you well with your endeavor. You ought to just list it here and direct people to John and allow them to feel his kindness, accordingly. Too bad that this guy saddled your ability to experience your dreams though, and he's paying you for the let down through some weird monthly arrangement....I don't get it and I don't want to get it. All I know is that you can't get all those years back, and that's the real tragedy here.

Mike48 · #31 (**permalink**) 05-21-2009, 08:08 PM

Hey, Dean...I'm sorry about the backlash. Please don't take in personally; this entire mess has got me on edge. And, I do appreciate your input. Throughout these posts of mine I've tried to be as objective as possible about John and JCF. The truth is that you are dead on about the dreams and time lost and it sends me into a near rage when I think about what it has cost me on that level. The contract I have with him is simple: if he doesn't have the car built and delivered to me by a certian date every month, he has to send me a check. This goes on until he builds and delivers the car and at this point monthly money is more appealing to me than having to do something I have already paid John to do. Again, sorry for snapping at you.

PDUB · #32 (**permalink**) 05-25-2009, 02:54 AM

Either I am missing something here or this thread is smellin' fishy

. It just doesn't add up.

Why would this guy be paying money to hold a car that is almost finished? That would make him a total idiot

on top of what he's been made out to be... unless it is like $20 a month (tongue in cheek

).

Doesn't this seem strange to anyone else here, too?

I'll admit, it's past my bedtime, so I could be off base... but?

aks801 · #33 (**permalink**) 05-25-2009, 07:48 AM

PDub: I agree with you, man. This is just ludicrous. If the car is in fact "just a few days work" from being finished, either the builder would just buckle down and do it and get out from under this, or the buyer could just pick it up and do it himself.

It doesn't add up, and I wouldn't mind seeing this thread locked down, if for no other reason than I wouldn't have to see it pop up anymore!

terry mason · #34 (**permalink**) 05-25-2009, 07:52 AM

I have worked with John on two Cobras and Mike is Right about John being his own person. Mike and I have meet and John and I have talked about Mikes situation in person. I have seen the car and Mike has ridden in mine on one occation. This is a very different deal than I have ever seen, the story is as Mike has laid it out. NO FISH that I am awary of.

terry mason · #35 (**permalink**) 05-25-2009, 07:55 AM

I saw the car three years ago and it was a long way from being done, body and bare frame only.

Mike48 · #36 (**permalink**) 05-25-2009, 10:57 AM

There is nothing fishy about any of this. I have known John for 7 years and I don't know why he won't finish the car and he won't tell me. I've heard 100s of excuses, but no reason. Part of me thinks all of this has become personal and this is his way of getting back at me for statements Alan Smith and I made on this board 5 years ago. In reality, he won't finish because, as he told me once, he just hasn't. I've been told ar least 5 times in the last 6 plus years that he was going to stop working on everything else and finish my car. He's told me at least 8 times that the next check he sends me will be the last. Pressed to finish the car he (with me) becomes indignant, pressed futher and he becomes angry and profane.

joe g · #37 (**permalink**) 05-25-2009, 06:19 PM

how much each month does he send you? this whole thing makes no sense!
No one waits 7 years for a car!
joeg

Mike48 · #38 (**permalink**) 05-25-2009, 08:59 PM

JFC sends me just enough to bug, but not hurt, JCF. Going up and getting the car is not an option: John has repeatedly rejected that idea and, more to the point, I'm not going to shell out what-ever money it would take to buy all the missing parts and finish it when I've already paid, in full, to have it done. I've only really "waited" for about 18 months before I started trying to put pressure on him. I say "trying" because nothing really worked, it only pissed him off...Daily calls, no change; letters of offers to quit, no answer/no change, letters demanding a delivery date, no answer/no change;visits to the shop, no change; people calling/going to see John, no change; friends bugging him, no change; threats of a lawyer, no change. I've done everything but post here, which I'm doing now, and guess what? No change. I haven't waited 7 years, I've been forced to put up with them just not doing the work. None of it is rational.

thudmaster · #39 (**permalink**) 05-25-2009, 10:18 PM

You say you are a teacher. I hope you don't teach economics at chico state....

Mike48 · #40 (**permalink**) 05-25-2009, 11:37 PM

Less than a year from now JCF will have sent me back all of my money and still owe me a car. Maybe I should teach Econ. Maybe you should sign up if I do. LOL>>LOL.