Daytona Accuracy (Fist Fight)

[John McMahon]

Originally Posted by Kit Cars Mexico

What are the difference in this two kits? (not price)
Contemporary and Upstate.

http://www.clubcobra.com/classifieds...uct=2580&cat=2

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Shelb...fCarsQ5fTrucks

These both started out as the exact same kit, I don't think there was much variation in the kit between Contemporary and Upstate's ownership. I seem to recall some suspension upgrades, but don't remember what they were....possibly the availabiliy of Watts Link and outboard rear brakes.

The higher priced of the two (on ebay) was purpose built for some vintage racing and I don't see any mention of AC in it. Not sure, but I believe I saw this car at SAAC 25 at LRP, got some video of it somewhere. I think this car was built at Contemporary, so he may be trying to recoup most of that 135K build number.

The CC member's Coupe (khrace) is a definite good buy. Looks like it has the all the bells & whistles and AC. I would buy this car in a heartbeat and have been thinking hard about it as of late. I think this guy built the car himself in his restoration shop, so that may explain the variation in pricing.

[1985 CCX]

This works for me:
McKluskey

[mickmate]

The scoops must be just sitting on that ally one as they're backwards. I would imagine with the custom glass capabilities we have today there would be a way to make that difficult part available even if the screen is cut from something with the right curvature. I think that and the roofline are the all defining characteristics that are so hard to capture/replicate. I believe a body and a mould is available for the CCX coupe. How much demand do you think...........naah I don't need another project right now.

[John McMahon]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

This works for me:
McKluskey

Very sweet.

If I am not mistaken...this car is actually an automatic. It was for sale a few years back if my memory is intact.

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by John McMahon

Very sweet.

If I am not mistaken...this car is actually an automatic. It was for sale a few years back if my memory is intact.

Very nice! Obviously, I like the color.

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by John McMahon

Other than McClusky's cars....I think the most affordable/accurate replica is the Contemporary/Upstate/Lesher Motosports Daytona.

The body was originally splashed from CSX2299 prior to a major restoration.



http://www.leshermotorsports.com/pro...tonacoupe.html

The roofline on this car is too high. I just watched the special on TV "America's Greatest Race Car" and they talked alot about the roofline on the coupe, and the importance of it coming down lower than normal for aerodynamics. Look at the original in the first post, it looks totally different.

[Xavier]

You are right about the roofline, it is a MAJOR diffrence and now that I look at it, I can tell why it made them look so different. If that roof line swept back more it would look so much smoother, and faster. But I am sure that would limit drivers to 6'1"? Thats proably the reason it was raised?

[Jac Mac]

Originally Posted by SP01715

The roofline on this car is too high. I just watched the special on TV "America's Greatest Race Car" and they talked alot about the roofline on the coupe, and the importance of it coming down lower than normal for aerodynamics. Look at the original in the first post, it looks totally different.

2299 couldnt really called a ' Normal ' coupe given that the high roofline resulted from the incorrectly mounted cowl hoop prior to the chassis arriving in Italy according to the ' Daytona Coupes ' book. Since it would appear that due this it was the car that Gurney spent most of his seat time in, things might have turned out very different were it not for this 'mistake'. Seems funny that this car is also the 'one' that most profile drawings etc are available for, I found out the hard way & had to rework the buck for mine.
Cant really blame anyone for what happened on the cars, the pressure was on, time was of the essence, they had to be ready for Le Mans, from what I understand there were very few drawings etc & they didnt have computers/faxs etc to send stuff back & forth, only phone, & snail mail--yet here we are 40+ years later still trying to get it right & doing it wrong

[SP01715]

On the show Peter Brock was talking about how the guys in Italy raised the roofline (from the original he had built) because they though it looked better. He said it screwed up the aerodynamics on the car, and that they had to fix the rest of the cars they built. It's a good show about the coupe.

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

2299 was built by the Italian coachmaker Corrozzeria Gransport in Modena, and took it upon themselves to modify the original roofline from the shape of the prototype. Although it looked much better than the original, it was higher in both the roof and cowl and thus slower at top speed. Dan Gurney loved this car, and drove it several times successfully. 2299, in my opinion, is the best looking coupe built, and If I was to do a replica it would be of this body. Read the Trevor Legate book entitled "Cobra, The First 40 Years", as it details the scenario.

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by ZOERA-SC7XX

2299 was built by the Italian coachmaker Corrozzeria Gransport in Modena, and took it upon themselves to modify the original roofline from the shape of the prototype. Although it looked much better than the original, it was higher in both the roof and cowl and thus slower at top speed. Dan Gurney loved this car, and drove it several times successfully. 2299, in my opinion, is the best looking coupe built, and If I was to do a replica it would be of this body. Read the Trevor Legate book entitled "Cobra, The First 40 Years", as it details the scenario.

I have the book on my table, I will have to give it a look.

[PANAVIA]

I always thought the best daytona replica was the Viper GTS Coupe

after that -- a GTO.

[RodKnock]

Steve, now that's what I'm talking about.

Me loves the Ferrari GTO, but me no have $10MM.

Good call on the Viper too. I just wish it didn't have a "UPS Truck" engine.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by PANAVIA

I always thought the best daytona replica was the Viper GTS Coupe

after that -- a GTO.

Lol! True dat, mon!

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

The Ferrari 250 GTO was built two years before Shelby did the Daytona coupe. I think Enzo did about thirty of them.

[Wild Card 289]

I´m new on CC .....so first of all hi there, and what a great forum you have got going here!

I just couldn´t resist chipping in on this thread. I recently bought a Superformance Daytona to join my 289 slabside replica that I´ve owned for 29 years.

The SPC coupe most definitely doesn´t replicate one of the six originals, but by virtue of being designed and signed off by the designer of the the very first one of the famous six, has a very special status that so few other cars achieve.

However, the issue here is accuracy, and even when dealing with unraced roadsters, it is very difficult to identify a definitive body shape for even a 289 or a 427 road car.

The racetrack evolution that the Daytonas went through - clearance issues, cooling, aerodynamic modifications and some body damage here and there means that it all depends on which original, at which moment in time you want your car to refer to.

There are some fabulous interpretations of the Daytona themes out there, with authentic looking 1964 specs, details and graphics. Respect to them all.

I just know that when I get out of my coupe after letting the 540 hp 427 do what it does best...........I ve got a sort of Dan Gurney grin on my face and its 1964 all over again

[*13*]

Post some pictures of those cars! Good to have you aboard~

[MAStuart]

Hi! I have been following this thread and all the other treads in the coupe talk. I am scratch building a coupe and am trying to do it to original specs. I have spent quite a bit of time on the internet researching articles, pictures, etc. From what everyone says there is minor differences between bodies, but when you get looking there really is a lot of difference between bodies. There is probably differences in the same car at different points in time.
It is probably a loaded question, who makes the most accurate body. It is probably a question that really can't be answered.
Personally, I like the look of the CSX 2300.
On the first page of this thread, the 2601 has the most similiar roof to the original, the 2287. Looking at side views of all the cars, I can't believe they have the same windshield. The windshield of the 2287 looks more rounded in the vertical direction. On the other cars, the windshield looks flatter in the vertical direction. The windshield of the 2287 also appears to be laying back more and the roof blends into it, making the windshhield, the roof and the hatch look more rounded. On the 2299, the roof looks flattened (not humped up) over the driver's head.
Is the windshield on the 2299 really positioned up higher or is it just installed more vertical? Is it really a high roof line or more flattened? It doesn't appear to have much space above the driver's head.
The post #48 of this thread, it says the roof line was because of an improperly mounted cowl hoop. Did the Italians change the windshield position or is it because of the cowl hoop position?
Where were all the coupe chasis' modified? At Shelby American? There seems to be minor diferences in the chasis from what I can see. On the chasis that I am building, from the prints, it is supposed to be 23 7/8in from the top of the 3in main rail to the top of the cowl tube. I just happened to be working on this part of the chasis, the cowl tube and support tubing. I will try to post a picture of this area so you can see what it looks like before the sheet metal is applied. Mark

[Jac Mac]

The reference to the incorrectly mounted cowl tube is in the 'Daytona Coupes' book by Brock, Stauffer & Friedman, it 'the tube' was welded onto the frame @ the wrong height & as by pure coincidence was the first chassis to be worked on in Italy they had nothing to refer to when the w/shield did not match up with profiles that they had to work with, sooo they 'made' it fit by a bit of reshapeing, once the next car was commenced it all became very clear as it matched the profile, with the benefit of hindsight they probably did OK as remember just to up the ante the stretched chassis was also there & it would have required a lot of 'free spirit' work as no revised templates were probably to hand..

[mk2gt40]

Have a look at www.allprocars.com.
lee has csx numbers for his .