Bellhousing

[Grubby]

I just changed the trans in my Cobra and verified alignment of my Lakewood. It was more than .025" run out. I ended up having custom dowels machined. A pair of dowells with the same offset would not get the job done. It was a major pain.

My buddy that machined the dowels suggested, more than once, to buy a different bellhousing. We finally got .003" runout.

Lakewoods quality control seems pretty poor to me.

I would certainly pay more for a quality bell. If buying a replacement or building a new Cobra, I will consider QT.

John

[D-CEL]

Brent,

Why are you so upset?. Just discussing the issues, presenting factual data.
As you say I have not, Please tell me what data I have presented that is not factual.
Why do you keep saying that I don’t like QT?
I will say it again:
I like QuickTimes SFI certified design. I would buy one and use it.

For the record: I am not “Biased” and I have no vendetta against you, QuickTime or Ross McCombs. You keep trying to make this personal; rest assured it is not in any way. It’s not about you or Ross. Unfortunately, you have been and are still the loudest proponent of this product. Curiously louder than the designer / former owner of the company. When I asked this question of him in the original 460ford.com post, he said it passed, He seemed very eager to discuss it, until it came down to proving proof of the claim, then he disappeared. It’s frustrating to me that the claim is still made. If somebody could simply provide the SFI test report for RM -8010, this would be resolved. If I am wrong, I will publicly apologize to him and too you, and never darken your posting doorstep again.

As a general consumer, without a “direct relationships” Who exactly am I supposed to call? I have called every number I could find and then some. And your response is “Jason you aren’t performing your due diligence”
LOL that is a joke.
I’m doing the work you as a concerned reseller should be doing. Your customers and potential customers have raised concerns about a product you robustly proclaim as superior. I would think that should warrant a little investigation of your own.
Be that as it may, Since Ross wont call me back, and it appears that you have at the very least a cordial relationship with him. Please have him comment and provide the relevant supporting data on this issue. Lets go to the source and end this.

Weight :
I am trying to get straight answers. That whole truth in advertising thing again.
When I here “22lbs……without the blockplate and hardware” that my friend is an incomplete answer. (“Spin” and mis-direction again)
I read the FORDFE.COM post and it’s completely ambiguous. The post says: “The Quicktime is half the weight. 23lbs vs 46lbs for the latest Lakewoods, I've got one in a box here and took it out to weigh.”
So what does that say? The poster weighed ONE of the housings and not the other:
Did he weight all the parts it needs to be installed or just the housing?
Interestingly, the weight of the Lakewood is 1lb less than the shipping data provided by Summit. However the QT SFI is 15lbs different. That would seem to be lot of unused hardware or a very thick box. Not saying it’s a lie, I just don’t understand the large disparity between the two. That QT would use and ship 15lbs of unnecessary plates, packaging material, brackets and hardware doesn’t make much sense to me.




Here the deal:
One of us is a salesman, plain and simple, looking for the sale. Standing on a soap box preaching the gospel as it was told to him. Remembering always, that questioning the word is bad for business. Herding the flock down the path (I could say “to meet the butcher” but I wont)
When confronted with a opposing view, he wiggles and smirks. Then tries spin and misdirection, hoping desperately that it opposing opinion is lost. When that doesn’t silence the critic he quietly threatens (“be careful….”)

An one of us is looking for truth in representation as it may save a life. Nothing to be gained from the conflict, save the knowledge that a good change has been affected.

Personally I have gone to great lengths to separate you and your business from this issue, trying to make it about QuickTime only. You are choosing to stay in the fray, taking it upon yourself to be the company’s guardian.
Why is that?

Again, this is not personal against you or Ross, just looking for the truth

JASON

[blykins]

Really.

"Standing on a soap box preaching the gospel as it was told to him. Remembering always, that questioning the word is bad for business. Herding the flock down the path (I could say “to meet the butcher” but I wont). When confronted with a opposing view, he wiggles and smirks. Then tries spin and misdirection, hoping desperately that it opposing opinion is lost. When that doesn’t silence the critic he quietly threatens (“be careful….”)"

Nothing personal?

Whatever man, hope you have a wonderful day. It's cold outside, stay warm.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Other than this one QT bellhousing blowing up on this 460, has anyone else heard of any "trimmed" (or not) Lakewood's or QT's blowing up? I haven't.

I'm quoting myself.

The sample size is ONE FAILURE and it's not completely out of the question that someone in that process made a mistake.

[blykins]

R/K,

It's very possible.

Here's the thing while looking at this logically:

No one has proven that the bellhousing failed in this one case.

No one has proven that the bellhousing has not passed SFI testing (which BTW, is not the same thing as being SFI 6.1 approved).

I would have no problem saying that the bellhousing was at fault if it was. However, being a mechanical engineer, it's been drilled into my head that you have to be objective, see both sides of the scenario, gather data, then make a decision.

There's not enough data to make a decision.

Yes, like many here, I'm a proponent of Quicktime bellhousings. I should be; I sell their products. You know what, it's as simple as this: if you're worried about flywheel explosion containment, then by all means, go for the SFI 6.1 bellhousing. If you're going to trim the bottom off anyway, then there's no real use in it.

If Jason wants to do some more investigating, get some SFI results, etc., then that's great and it would be interesting to see.

However, I'd really like to know what his motive is in all of this. He has put it that "my customers and future customers have raised concerns", but while thinking back through the threads, he's the only one that I've seen complaining.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

Again, this is not personal against you or Ross, just looking for the truth. JASON

Jason, I don't know you at all, but listening and watching from the peanut gallery, it sure seems like you're grinding away at something.

You quote Summit, but Jegs is different. I'm not sure I would rely on either. Also, I can't imagine that the variance in lbs between the additional pieces to complete the installation of either bellhousing can be material, but alas, I'm not mechanically inclined like you and Brent.

BTW, the Kirkham's seem to not find fault with the Quicktime and they're the engineering types themselves:

http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com/fa...l.html#install

And the discussion from your side is buttressed by one failure, which statistically speaking, is not even close to a valid sample size.