The new ERA glue?

[428street]

So as some of you know I am in the middle of replacing the carpeted rear section of the interior with vinyl. I got the stuff to do it from Jack months ago. I have a can of what I call, "the new" glue that ERA uses for the carpet. When I did my car the color was green. That being said, I was ready this afternoon to start gluing the backing to the vinyl but since I had not done this work in a while i wanted to try a couple of sample pieces. Glad I did. I glue two small pieces of the black vinyl I had lying around, set them down for 5 minutes then slapped them together. About 10 minutes later I pulled them apart and that wasn't a good thing. Seemed to have no stick. I am sure Jack told me how to do it but I probably forgot and seeing it's the weekend I wanted to see if anyone knew what the deal was.

TIA.

[DanEC]

Frank - I'm not sure what ERA uses but most contact cements should be applied to both surfaces and then allowed to tack off to where they are semi-dried before sticking the surfaces together. Sometimes if they are stuck together with the surfaces still wet they don't ahere. But once pulled apart they should still tack off and be able to be stuck back together. Personally, I use regular Contact Cement out of a can and apply with a brush. I have never had much luck with the spray applied adhesives.

Is the piece of vinyl full width across the top of the bulkhead? If so I guess you need to start in the middle and work to the sides.

[428street]

Dan, the glue I am using is in liquid format - yellow in color - I believe a DAP product. I did let the glue sit for 5 minutes to air dry then I stuck them together. Maybe I did not wait long enough...

[brettco]

I think 5 minutes is too long. Like what was said before/ apply to both surfaces. Press together/ separate and repress together. No waiting.

[DanEC]

Pressing the pieces together, pulling them apart and then pressing them back together is good for small parts but not a good approach with something like vinyl sheathing. If these instructions don't help I would pick up something else down at Lowes or Home Depot.

It may be that you didn't let it dry long enough.

Dagorhir Gear

[Dwight]

I use spray adhesives, two or three different brands, all with good results.
For gluing vinyl to aluminum dash, I spray a lot of glue on the dash and then apply the vinyl before it tacks. The wet glue allows me to move the vinyl into place or work the air bubbles out. If I spray both pieces and then stick them together I cannot move the vinyl.
Carpet, I spray a small area on the car and then place the carpet. Sometime I spray the carpet and car part, wait a minute and then stick together.

I use cloth pins to clamp the edges of vinyl / dash parts. You can use rags or cardboard to keep the over spray off other parts.
Hope this helps.

Dwight

I bought a pack of 100 pins and most of the time I use all of them and need a few more.

[mickmate]

I use weldwood contact cement. It says to let it dry to the touch between 30-60 mins. If you go over that time simply recoat and use it within that time frame.

[428street]

Thanks for the responses guys. I have a bunch of the 3m spray adhesive so let me experiment with that as well. For what I am doing I need some "wiggle room" to move the vinyl around, etc.

[427 Street]

I used 3m 08090 Spray Adhesive on Jack's advice...worked like a charm.

[strictlypersonl]

I've never had a problem with that adhesive. For reference, it's Weldwood Landau Industrial Grade. When I brush it on, I've always used two coats on each part. Jack sprays it on, and I don't know how many coats he uses.

[427 Street]

I did not want to spray it in the car ( i recently replaced some carpet bits) so I brushed the 3m on inside the car witha chip brush and sprayed the back of the new carpet on the garage floor.

[PaulProe]

BE CAREFUL
I used Weldwood contact cement on my first install and it failed. Seems the heat of the sun shining on the vinyl will melt the contact cement or make it soft enough to lose its grip.

I then went to a Hi-Temp contact cement from an upholstery supplier. Much better but even that tends to soften slightly.

Sun on the back wall will not be your friend. Make sure you use Hi Temp

Paul

[strictlypersonl]

Weldwood makes a consumer-grade contact cement that's water-based. Not very good. What we sent 427Street is the industrial-grade stuff, specifically made for the high temperatures that exist on cars' roofs.