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Old 06-20-2016, 07:18 PM
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Good Evening Ladies and Gents,

The deed is done. In approximately one year I am expecting an addition to the family. In other words, the initial deposit is paid the ball is rolling.

Here are the wave tips of the initial order.

ERA 427 SC
Riveted hood scoop
Single roll bar
Jag rear end
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Replica wheels
No side view mirrors, heat, AC, cup holders, Nav, heated steering wheel, etc..
Vinyl seats
Black interior
Dual fans
Painted (most likely Viking Blue w/ stripes, same color as CSX 6166)
Engine (still pending final decision) 390 stroker w/ 4 speed top loader
*and all the little things that will basically add up to a complete kit sans the motor, tranny, and tires.


Once delivered (or picked up by me) I’ll give myself a few months to assemble and then…..add more $$$ and then fun fun…..and then more modifications…..and repeat….
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I highly recommend that you reconsider the standard jag rear and opt for their competition rear end assembly.
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I highly recommend that you reconsider the standard jag rear and opt for their competition rear end assembly.
Warum? (why)

Whats wrong with the jag rear end, in your opinion?
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Add 8 weeks to the delivery Peter quoted you. He doesn't include time for painting.
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Whats wrong with the jag rear end, in your opinion?
Wait till the first time you have to do rear brakes, inboard Jag rotor changes are not the easiest thing to accomplish.

That, and the comp rear offers more adaptability for your driving pleasure, not to mention it is much stouter than the stock Jag rear end assembly.

I've owned a few of each (427SC and 289FIA ERA's) and always prefer to purchase one with the comp rear vs the standard rear.

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You can also look for a late XJS rear with outboard brakes.
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Wait till the first time you have to do rear brakes, inboard Jag rotor changes are not the easiest thing to accomplish.

That, and the comp rear offers more adaptability for your driving pleasure, not to mention it is much stouter than the stock Jag rear end assembly.

I've owned a few of each (427SC and 289FIA ERA's) and always prefer to purchase one with the comp rear vs the standard rear.

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Noted.

However, i guess perspective matters. When i see inboard brakes i think "familiar." This is because in my past i've worked on inboard braking systems for more than a few years.

Also, how stout will i need? this is not a race car nor is it a daily driver. If the Jag rear end cant take me and my wife out a couple weekends a month for 6 months out of the year, well.....

I think ill be fine, and if not, thats what i have a garage full of tools for (not literally, but you know what i mean). Also, i have no expectations of assembling the kit and NEVER touching another tool. But, again, given the quality of the ERA kit and its components, ill be fine.

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You can also look for a late XJS rear with outboard brakes.
yup, id prefer inboard. i have a M3 that's not a daily driver, in 15 years of ownership, i've replaced all the pads twice.

if my only worry is a big job every 4 to 7 years, thats great, it will keep me and my grandsons busy!
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Add 8 weeks to the delivery Peter quoted you. He doesn't include time for painting.
Yea, no time quotes, i told him im in no rush. But, yes, actually i think its more like 10 more weeks. Not including all the other potential issues with cars ahead of me.

My target for completion is Summer 2018. Anything before that is gravy.....anything after is okay to.

This is a marathon, not a sprint

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I have ERA 797 with the standard Jag rear. It's fine and I don't regret not getting the ERA rear. And with the jag rear you can bleed the brakes from the driver's seat by removing the bulk head panel.
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I'd go with the ERA rear too. That was the one upgrade that I did not get on my car that if I could do it over again I would get, if for no other reason than ease of bleeding brakes and changing pads/rotors. There is nothing at all wrong with the standard inboard brakes, they work perfectly fine, but outboard brakes would be much easier to service.

And give some more thought to the leather seats, they are nice.
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Like the colour choice.
Like the gearbox choice.
Have a great time with the build!

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Sounds like a great build ... and X 2 on the leather seats, very nice indeed. All you need to do now is hurry up and wait!

Have fun with the build & beyond ...
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Sounds nice, but you may want to check on the "no side view mirrors" thought. Not sure what the motor vehicle department requires in NC, but my guess is that most states require at least one side view mirror in addition to the rear view mirror. If it is required, you want that installed before the inspection process.
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I did the brakes on a ERA once, what I did was I removed the whole cradle, and while it was out I did a few seals, ujoints, powerwashed it and detailed they under carriage. that was a while ago but it was not that difficult.

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I agree with Lippy - unless you have basically an unlimited budget, plan to use the car for competition, or plan to put a bunch of miles on it each year - it's hard to pony up for the ERA suspension. I bleed my in-board brakes from underneath with speed bleeders installed. Anything more than that and the seats rear access panel will have to come out or as suggested above - pull the whole cradle.

You can consider a windshield mounted side-rear view mirror if you decide later you need one. They provide better visibility anyway.

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I've had both the leather and vinyl on the ERAs. Both are very nice - the vinyl will remain looking new for a long long time, and the leather will age nicely with some patina. Your choice, but you already made the right one going with an ERA. Sounds like a great build and you are going to love it! I've never had one with the ERA rear, but for the street the standard rear is more than adequate. I've serviced the brakes on a handful of these, but have not had to change pads or rotors myself. Bleeding the brakes requires some "bending" of the body and it's not exactly a fun job, but it's not the end of the world, either. Most people have a budget, so selecting your options carefully to remain in your budget is all part of the game. That's one of the great things about ERA - you can build it the way you want, but they won't let you screw up the car - even with all the standard features (:
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Sounds nice, but you may want to check on the "no side view mirrors" thought. Not sure what the motor vehicle department requires in NC, but my guess is that most states require at least one side view mirror in addition to the rear view mirror. If it is required, you want that installed before the inspection process.
mmmm, good point. After reading your post I immediately thought about motorcycles in NC, they must have rear view mirrors to pass inspection. Good stuff

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I agree with Lippy - unless you have basically an unlimited budget, plan to use the car for competition, or plan to put a bunch of miles on it each year - it's hard to pony up for the ERA suspension. I bleed my in-board brakes from underneath with speed bleeders installed. Anything more than that and the seats rear access panel will have to come out or as suggested above - pull the whole cradle.

You can consider a windshield mounted side-rear view mirror if you decide later you need one. They provide better visibility anyway.

Congratulations.
25 years in the Army (ret) doesn't put me in the category of those having an unlimited budget So, yes I will be watching pennies. And yes, for me, seals, maintenance, leaks, and tweaks is what im looking forward to. Im not interested in a car that has lifetime fluids, is dead quiet, and drives like im on a couch. That's what a Buick is for.

I like the windshield option depending on the placement.

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I've had both the leather and vinyl on the ERAs. Both are very nice - the vinyl will remain looking new for a long long time, and the leather will age nicely with some patina. Your choice, but you already made the right one going with an ERA. Sounds like a great build and you are going to love it! I've never had one with the ERA rear, but for the street the standard rear is more than adequate. I've serviced the brakes on a handful of these, but have not had to change pads or rotors myself. Bleeding the brakes requires some "bending" of the body and it's not exactly a fun job, but it's not the end of the world, either. Most people have a budget, so selecting your options carefully to remain in your budget is all part of the game. That's one of the great things about ERA - you can build it the way you want, but they won't let you screw up the car - even with all the standard features (:
Agreed, I've had a few cars with leather, and its awesome for about 6 years, then it begins to look bad. At least with vinyl, it will retain its beauty until one day it cracks up, begins to scar your legs, and tear your clothes.
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The windshield mounting actually results in better placement. The original mounting on the front fender provides a nice view of the rear fender bulge but not much else. The windshield mount is a piece of polished aluminum that fastens to the windshield post screws that are already there and then a Ray Dot mirror fastens to it. It places it up higher for a better view. It does limit the side visor outward movement a little but not much.
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I can't wait for the "Is this Viking Blue, Princess Blue or Guardsmen Blue?" thread.

Thank you for your service to our country and great luck to you and your build. Looking forward to reading about it.

BTW, instead of using Buick in your "comfort" analogy, I think the better modern comparison would be Lexus.
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