Club Cobra Keith Craft Motorsports  

Go Back   Club Cobra > Manufacturers, Engine Builders, tools, and parts. > ERA---Speak with Bob Putnam

MMG Superformance
Nevada Classics
Keith Craft Racing
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
Keith Craft Racing
MMG Superformance
Keith Craft Racing
Keith Craft Racing
December 2024
S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31        

Kirkham Motorsports

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 05:44 PM
Bearwolf's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Waukesha, WI
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA FIA kit on order
Posts: 78
Not Ranked     
Default Paint for the underside of a fiberglass body

I'm getting ready to bond the body on my ERA 289 FIA car and I want to paint the underside of the fiberglass body black before I permanently bond it to the frame. I'm no paint expert but it looks like a flat or satin black Acrylic Enamel spray paint wouldn't require primer to spray it to the underside of a fiberglass body and should hold up okay from what I've been reading. For those who know a little more about fiberglass and paint than I do, does this seem like a good choice or would you recommend something else? Keep in mind, this won't be a focal point. In fact, the main reason for the black paint would be just to cover any raw fiberglass and make it blend in to the background while looking under the hood or any other angles where it would be visible.
__________________
289 FIA ERA2159
Build in progress
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 06:39 PM
DanEC's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Little Rock area, AR
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA Street Roadster #782 with 459 cu in FE KC engine, toploader, 3.31
Posts: 4,521
Not Ranked     
Default

For what you are trying to achieve you don’t need primer. Just wipe it down good with Prep Sol or lacquer thinner and spray away. I lightly sprayed the bare underbody of my 66 Vette 25 years when I had the body off the frame, with semi-flattened black lacquer to blend in a fiberglass repair and for easy of cleaning and it has held up fine. Another option is spray bed liner which is what I used on the underbody areas of my ERA. Correction - I sprayed the wheel well side of my panels with undercoating and rolled/brushed bed liner protection on the body underside.
__________________
ERA 782 Running
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfge...b1-77fqwFRu7c]

Last edited by DanEC; 03-02-2020 at 06:46 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 03-01-2020, 06:47 PM
Dwight's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Florence, AL
Cobra Make, Engine: RCR GT 40 & 1966 Fairlane 390 5 speed
Posts: 4,511
Not Ranked     
Smile

I have been told by a painter that fiberglass needs to be sealed on the back side to keep water out.

Water can wicks through the fiberglass and lifts the paint.

I have seen several paint flaws in my Cobra and others that we could not explain how they happen.
So it's easy for me to believe what the painter said.

Just in case I had the back side of my GT 40 primed / sealed.

I don't know what type of sealer he used.
__________________
''Life's tough.....it's even tougher if you're stupid.'' ~ John Wayne
"Happiness Is A Belt-Fed Weapon"
life's goal should be; "to be smarter than inanimate objects"
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2020, 06:43 AM
DanEC's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Little Rock area, AR
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA Street Roadster #782 with 459 cu in FE KC engine, toploader, 3.31
Posts: 4,521
Not Ranked     
Default

Yes, migration of contaminants from the underside of fiberglass that lifts patient or creates pimples in the surface is a very common issue for old Corvettes and very difficult to remedy. That’s one of the reasons I used bed liner on my ERA instead of lacquer paint. I also rolled and brushed it on. Most old Corvettes have press molded, smooth on both sides panels (except for earliest years) and have a more tightly sealed underside surface than most hand laid or chopper gun fiberglass which is fairly rough and porous by comparison. So if battery acid, brake fluid, accessory oil can get through a Vette panel it potentially could do so even easier on a hand laid body. Paint alone may not seal the underside glass without applying a lot of it.

Cobra fiberglass bodies do have one advantage over old Corvette bodies which is the gel coat surface which should keep most contaminates from migrating to the surface. Old Vettes never, ever had gel coat surfaces. It was not practical for early, mass produced, match mold, steam cured fiberglass panels.
__________________
ERA 782 Running
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfge...b1-77fqwFRu7c]

Last edited by DanEC; 03-02-2020 at 07:16 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2020, 08:27 AM
Bearwolf's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Waukesha, WI
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA FIA kit on order
Posts: 78
Not Ranked     
Default

So the way I read it that's 2 votes to just put bed liner on the underside if the body to seal it. I guess I'll start looking into that over paint unless someone has a good paint alternative that will stick and seal. Maybe I'll stop by the auto body paint store on my way home from work and see what they say now that they are open. I'll report back here with my findings. Until then I'm open to all the information that anyone else wants to post here.
__________________
289 FIA ERA2159
Build in progress
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2020, 09:07 AM
Karl Bebout's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Mesa, AZ
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #2119 289FIA
Posts: 5,380
Not Ranked     
Default

I used rubberized undercoating figuring a good seal and padding resistance to picked up gravel. I'm happy with it. Fresh over spray cleaned up easily with paint thinner. My 2¢ worth.
__________________
Karlos
"In the Land of the Pigs, The Butcher is King"
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2020, 02:26 PM
1985 CCX's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Manchester, NH
Cobra Make, Engine: AK1085 (302 Street), HTM111 (427 Comp), CSX2375R (289 Comp) and COB5999 (427 S/C)
Posts: 19,007
Not Ranked     
Default

I used std aluminum Rust-Oleum no prep, lasted 10 years …..
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 03-02-2020, 02:48 PM
letsboogie351's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Melbourne, vic
Cobra Make, Engine: Kenmer with Ford Quad Cam Boss 260
Posts: 981
Not Ranked     
Default

Black stone guard will do the trick
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 03-03-2020, 09:47 AM
CHANMADD's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: San Marcos california, CA
Cobra Make, Engine: 1989 KCC from South Africa Right Hand Drive
Posts: 1,601
Not Ranked     
Default

I coated the whole underside with lizard skin..same color as the car...Actually mixed it all myself..Buy the ceramics and out it in the paint. Stops all the heat.andblooks great..

Last edited by CHANMADD; 03-05-2020 at 08:54 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 03-08-2020, 11:03 AM
Bearwolf's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Waukesha, WI
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA FIA kit on order
Posts: 78
Not Ranked     
Default

Thanks for all the great recommendations. After all of the input I figured it's only fair to stop back in and update you guys on what direction I went with it. My body guy and our local auto paint store guys both ended up telling me that I'm going to want to seal the underside with an epoxy primer and then paint it with any old flat black paint that I want to. I'm told the key is to use an actual 2 part epoxy primer with an activator. Our paint supply store had some Spray Max 2k epoxy primer that came in an aerosol. This stuff had a button on the bottom of the can to break a canister on the inside of the can and allow the activator to mix with the primer. It only came in beige, so I had to run some flat black over it to make it look right. If you're looking to do the same you can probably get away with 3 cans of the primer if you spray it on just right but you should probably use 4, 5 if you want to get thicker with it. It was about $25 a can from the paint store but it's probably cheaper online. I'll probably still put a little rubberized undercoating above the tires. If I remember I'll stop back at this post 10 or 20 years from now to let everyone know how it holds up.

__________________
289 FIA ERA2159
Build in progress

Last edited by Bearwolf; 03-08-2020 at 11:11 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 03-08-2020, 11:07 AM
Dwight's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Florence, AL
Cobra Make, Engine: RCR GT 40 & 1966 Fairlane 390 5 speed
Posts: 4,511
Not Ranked     
Smile

Thanks for the update
__________________
''Life's tough.....it's even tougher if you're stupid.'' ~ John Wayne
"Happiness Is A Belt-Fed Weapon"
life's goal should be; "to be smarter than inanimate objects"
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy
Links monetized by VigLink