Oil Filter Adapter

[joea]

I am gettting the original 6"oil cooler on my ERA. I assume I need to purchase a filter adapter separately? Do you have to run a remote filter? I've missed Peter all week and am trying to order the last of my engine parts.

Thanks

[DonC]

Joe:
ERA uses both. The remote adapter bolts into the timing gear case cover on the front of the engine and the sandwich adapter they use goes in the stock filter location and has two ports for the oil cooler lines.
There are a number of suppliers that carry both types.
DonC

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Hi Joe:
Here is what I have. I have what is known as a "sandwhich" adaptor, which fits in between the filter and the filter housing.
The two AN lines and fittings come off of the sandwich and go to the oiler cooler.

There are two types of sandwich adaptors. One with a thermostatic switch and one without. I think you may want one with the theromostatic switch in it. It limits oil to the cooler until the oil achieves a specific temperature.

Another way of doing this is to use the non switch sandwich and run a thermostatic valve switch in-line to the cooler.

Summit has a sandwich adaptor without the thermostat on page 130 of their new Jan-Feb catalog as part number TRD-1313 for Ford V8.

In the Jegs catalog, they list Perma-Cool Remote Oil Thermostats which fit inline between the cooler and the sandwich.

I cannot find a listing for the Sandwich with the integrated thermostat at this time. Probably a call to Doug Herbert, or Jegs or Summit or Danbury Competition Engines would get you a solution. It is possible that even ERA has these in stock.

Let me know what you find out OK?

[strictlypersonl]

Joea,

If you get the "cooler assembly" from us, it comes with block adapter, either for the remote filter or the block-mounted filter.

Just yesterday, I figured out the parts necessary to use the Earls thermostatic sandwich adapter (say that 4 times fast ) instead of our standard sandwich adapter. It'll be somewhat more expensive than the standard adapter.



An inline thermostat shouldn't be too difficult to fit with the remote filter too (and that will add even more $...)



If you specify exactly what you want, you won't have to get any other parts.

[Snakebit]

Canton makes a nice billet aluminum remote filter adapter and engine adapter to run the hoses to.

[joea]

Thanks Bob,
I'll get ahold of Peter and see if he can send it out.

[strictlypersonl]

Joe,

We don't currently stock the parts, but we can get them. In the future, I'd like to offer the thermostat-ed system as a standard option. (Is that like a jumbo shrimp? )

Welcome to 2004. A year that's not nearly as prime as 2003...

[REDSC400]

You are getting sick on us Bob! Prime Number Humor.... Hummm? Happy New Year.

I see by the pics that the adaptor you have shown is a sandwich type. Does it have the thermostat built into it? Also, at what oil temp does the thermostat open up full?

Snakebit mentioned the Canton unit. Have you looked into that one as well? The Canton "looks" very nice to me a first glance. They are also here in Connecticut if that matters any.

[CobERA]

Art,

The adaptor that Bob showed is a thermostatic adaptor, set for 180 degrees made by Earl's. I just bought one.

Bob,

Please double check the part numbers for the thermostatic adaptor. I think one of the parts should be 981510 not 981508 . I believe 981508 is an 8 by 8.

Also, would an 844510 work?


Thanks,

[strictlypersonl]

CobERA,

Did I say 981508? (Bob gives himself dope slap!) I'm going to check on the other numbers tomorrow (Saturday). There may be a way to use the sandwich thermostat without adapters to the hose end fittings.

Here's the Earl's page for the sandwich adapter. The reason we like Earls is we get a big discount.

[REDSC400]

cobERA:

Thanks for that tip. I did go to the Holley/Earl's website and found the sandwich. It opens up at 180 degrees. It looks like a nice unit. BTW: my new CT license plates are... COBERA...
sound familiar??

Bob:

If you get one of those in at ERA, let me know, I would like to try it out (read buy it) on #375 the next time I do an oil change which should be in the May time frame. Tell Fernando to put one of those aside for me, OK?

Thanks

[joea]

Does the thermostat control when the oil is allowed to go to the cooler?

[strictlypersonl]

It looks like Earls has a new (not in our catalog) Swivel-seal hose end that will simplify things a bit - no male/male adapter into the sandwich adapter is needed. $20 saved if we can get 'em. The part number for the new hose end is 844510. I promise.

"Does the thermostat control when the oil is allowed to go to the cooler?"

Yes. When the oil is cool, the oil bypasses the cooler.

[cobra]

Hi joea,
Congratulations to your ERA.
Perhaps you can need this picture.
Regards
Walter

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Guys:
I have yet to remove and re-install any of the oil cooler plumbing on my ERA. These hoses are just as shown in the fine picture from COBRA. They appear to have what are known as AN fittings at both the cooler as well as at the sandwich adaptor.

Before I attempt to loosen and remove these AN fittings at my old sandwich adaptor, is there anything I need to know about them? I have seen special AN type wrenches for sale. Are the necessary?

Also, is any type of gasket or O-ring or teflon tape used in the fitting?

Also, when the fitting is taken apart, is it then more apt to leak upon re-connection? Is there a torque ft-Lbs I should be aware of?

Sorry for these dumb questions but I figgure better early than later!

Thanks

[Bob Perry]

Art, I use a little teflon tape on the male ends and dont get to carried away on the torque. The supplier i deal with told me that the AN wrenches scratch the fittings just as easy as any open end.So they use a little making tape in their open end and then if they have any scratches they use a red or blue sharpie permanent marker the color match is perfect to touch them up.Hope this helps.....Bob.

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Thanks so much for those pointers Bob. That sharpie idea is a good one. My current fittings are red and blue, I guess for the cold and hot side of the cooler. Masking tape is alot cheaper than those "special" wrenches too.

[joea]

Are there any problems getting at the filter if you use a block mounted filter on an ERA? It clears the frame no problem?

[REDSC400]

Hi Joe:
No problem at all getting at a block mounted filter. It is on the drivers side front of the block. Well ahead of the engine mount. Very very easy to access with just the lifting of the front of the car on jackstands. You will need to lift the front to gain access to the drain plug in the pan. My ERA's filter is attached that way on a 428FE engine.

The filter is attached to a sandwich adapter, and that adaptor is attached, in turn, to the filter housing which is attached to the block. This method leaves the top of the engine compartment much less cluttered (vs topside remote filter adaptors) and also reduces the number of hoses and fittings. By reducing the number of these elements, IMO, you reduce the number of maintenance points or translated, you reduce the number of items that can go wrong or bad.

[Ant]

Can you get these thermostat adaptors, without the oil filter provision to bolt in where the filter would normally go, as there is not enough room for a filter in the normal position due to the chassis, so will need to do a remote filter!