Brad Penn Oil and the ZDDP Debate

[Snakebit]

Do a search on Brad Penn's web site. I found a local dealer $58 a case.

[patrickt]

If the reader takes anything away from this thread, it is the fact that the API Starburst certification should be equated to the "Kiss of Death" for our older style engines. Instead of a goddam starburst they should be putting a Mr. Yuck sticker on the front. For the gory details, you can read their licensing terms released last month: http://www.api.org/certifications/en...l1complete.pdf

[FWB]

Originally Posted by Snakebit

Do a search on Brad Penn's web site. I found a local dealer $58 a case.

58 a case is a bit steep, i'm just over the phillipsburg border, 48.00 a case plus ship for 20-50......

info@origincorp.net



fred

[Bob In Ct]

Just to play Devil's advocate -

Why not just go to Walmart and get your favorite viscosity of Mobil1 (or whatever) for $4.50 per quart and add to it the ZDDP additive from Redline or whomever for $12.00?

Bob

[madmaxx]

Mobil 1 at walmart is $24.00 for 5 quarts, throw in bottle of ZDDP for $10.00 plus $5.00 shipping, plus the tax on original $24.00 ($1.75) and we are at $8.00 per quart. I can get Brad Penn deliverd to my house after tax title and License for $5.05 per quart 1500 PPM zinc and phosphorous and is semi synthetic. Mobil 1 does not come in 15W40. So to answer you question I save 8*3 = $24 per oil change with the brad penn and have all the additives.

Originally Posted by Bob In Ct

Just to play Devil's advocate -

Why not just go to Walmart and get your favorite viscosity of Mobil1 (or whatever) for $4.50 per quart and add to it the ZDDP additive from Redline or whomever for $12.00?

Bob

[Bernica]

That sure as hell beats Joe Gibbs racing oil, which I am running now. almost $15 / quart!! I almost had a heart attack when they rang up the bill for a case.

[CobraEd]

Its hard to imagine Cobra owners concerned with the minor cost variables of oil relative to the bigger picture of owning a Cobra. Personally, I like to use Mobil 1 or Royal Purple and then add my own ZDDP. Who the hell is Brad Pen, and who makes the oil he has his label on. Manufacturing quality motor oil is no easy task. I only trust my car to big name proven oil manufacturers. Thats why I like getting my own ZDDP and adding it to good proven oil. Who cares about some extra $$$$$$$$$$$ I want PROVEN premium oil and I will add the ZDDP.


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[FWB]

Originally Posted by patrickt

... and when you do make sure you can undercut these guys: http://theoilwarehouse.com/

i have discussed these guys prices with the refinery. they do not deal with them, so where they are getting the oil? who knows. there was just a price increase on oil, so maybe you will see these guys prices rise after their stock is depleted.
in the meantime, anyone east coast will save over the oil wharehouse in the shipping. they ship from arizona. so compare to summit or the other dealers on the east coast and i am competitive. as my volume increases so woll my buying power. web site will be up and active in a couple weeks. can still contact me here... http://www.origincorp.net/
just can't process credit cards till web site is up. checks or money orders are ok. been in business for many years so i don't thnk i would want to ruin my business reputation over not delivering a case of oil.

Fred

[FWB]

Originally Posted by CobraEd

Its hard to imagine Cobra owners concerned with the minor cost variables of oil differences relative to the bigger picture of owning a Cobra. Personally, I like to use Mobil 1 or Royal Purple and then add my own ZDDP. Who the hell is Brad Pen, and who makes the oil he has his label on. Manufacturing quality motor oil is no easy task. I only trust my car to big name proven oil manufacturers. Thats why I like getting my own ZDDP and adding it to good proven oil. Who cares about some extra $$$$$$$$$$$ I want PROVEN premium oil and I will add the ZDDP.


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brad penn is the refinery that used to process and package the complete kendall line, the kendall name was sold off to conoco-phillips. the old kendall GT-1 is the formula now being marketed as Brad Penn high performance oil. in the 1970's and 1980's if you asked around the dragstrips you would have found that there was a large number of racers that would only use the GT-1 in their engines. and for good reason......

check the refineries site for more info.....

http://www.bradpennracing.com/

fred

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Bernica

That sure as hell beats Joe Gibbs racing oil, which I am running now. almost $15 / quart!! I almost had a heart attack when they rang up the bill for a case.

I think I paid $8/quart for conventional oil, directly from Joe Gibbs Racing:

http://shop.joegibbsracingoil.com/ca...0Rod%20Oil.htm

[CobraEd]

Originally Posted by FWB

brad penn is the refinery that used to process and package the complete kendall line, the kendall name was sold off to conoco-phillips. the old kendall GT-1 is the formula now being marketed as Brad Penn high performance oil. in the 1970's and 1980's if you asked around the dragstrips you would have found that there was a large number of racers that would only use the GT-1 in their engines. and for good reason......

check the refineries site for more info.....

http://www.bradpennracing.com/

fred

It is not even synthetic ??????


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[FWB]

Originally Posted by CobraEd

It is not even synthetic ??????


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it's partial synthetic.....check out the refinery's web page

[FWB]

i looked at the description and the thumbnail on the oil warehouse's site of the brad penn. it may not have been updated, maybe someone who has just recently bought from them can chime in.

if the quarts say racing oil on them, this is oil that is at least a year old. the label was changed to say high performance oil. so any oil bought that says racing oil on it is old stock some dealer got rid of, or old oil they have been sitting on.

[wfbronson]

I recommend the original furmula Kendal Racing Oil that is available only from specialty racing suppliers. It is not available on the shelf of your typical retail auto parts store.

Recently had an amazing experience to prove the value of this stuff. Five years ago I had put this oil in my rebuilt side oiler and pumped the oil through the engine by turning the oil pump drive with an electric drill. This was done with the anticipation that I would not be able to use the motor for a few years, so I sealed it in a crate and stored it in my garage.

Last month I decided to uncrate it, change the oil and circulate it before going any further. I bought some oil from my local auto supplier and proceded to remove the valve covers and inspect the condition of things. When I saw the incredible clean condition and this Kendal oil still sticking to all the parts, I kept the same oil in the motor and just changed the filter and pumped the oil through again. I refused to put any of this new low quality oil in my side oiler until I could find the original stuff.

[FWB]

here is the history on kendall\brad penn.

the oil you stored your motor with is not the kendall you are buying.

see link

http://www.oil150.com/essays/2009/02...ll-refining-co

[FWB]

and the kendall is more than likely imported, see conoco-phillips website

http://www.conocophillips.com/EN/pro...ges/index.aspx

[madmaxx]

If you go to the Mobil website they indicate their 15W50 synthetic has 1200 ppm of zinc and phosphourous. A little but heavy on viscosity but maybe another option. As far as "old" oil nothing wrong with it as long as the lid is on it. It was in the ground for millions of years, lOL

[CobraEd]

Originally Posted by madmaxx

If you go to the Mobil website they indicate their 15W50 synthetic has 1200 ppm of zinc and phosphourous. A little but heavy on viscosity but maybe another option. As far as "old" oil nothing wrong with it as long as the lid is on it. It was in the ground for millions of years, lOL

Keep it in the refrigerator or it will become rancid !!!


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[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by wfbronson

Five years ago I had put this oil in my rebuilt side oiler and...

Fascinating story WF but I hope you backed-off the rocker shafts five years ago or throw out those valve springs now.

Also check the condition of the rings against the walls before start-up.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by madmaxx

If you go to the Mobil website they indicate their 15W50 synthetic has 1200 ppm of zinc and phosphourous. A little but heavy on viscosity but maybe another option. As far as "old" oil nothing wrong with it as long as the lid is on it. It was in the ground for millions of years, lOL

Perfect example of how someone who does not carefully read your post will get mislead. 15w50 weight oil is exempt from the API limitations on SM oil. So they can indeed have the higher levels of zddp. Now if you pick up that same oil with a different weight, that zddp you want can be significantly reduced. And on the off-chance that oil has the SN rating after October and you see the words "Resource Conserving" on the label, forget it.