For those of you running quicktimes.............

[ng8264723]

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I'll stick with my Lakewood. The SFI guy said it was a failure despite what the quicktime CEO claims. Somethings heavier is better................

[dcdoug]

I assume this is the same video that's been posted before and ends up in pages and pages of argument.....lakewood, quicktime, quicktime sfi, etc?

I think there is already more than one thread on this subject, but here is one of them: FAQ Regarding Cobra Drivetrain Setups.

Let's not do this one again unless there is new evidence to debate.....

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by dcdoug

I assume this is the same video that's been posted before and ends up in pages and pages of argument.....lakewood, quicktime, quicktime sfi, etc?

I think there are already more than one threads on this subject, but here is one of them: FAQ Regarding Cobra Drivetrain Setups.

Let's not do this one again unless there is new evidence to debate.....

Totally agree. You beat me to it. Next!

[ng8264723]

Well chance your feet then. I posted this for people who are in the build phase. Perhaps they may want a heavier unit. The SFI person stated it was a failure.

[D-CEL]

Hi everybody!
So what are we talking about today....

Jason

[RodKnock]

Here's another thread in January 2011, same subject (Lakewood vs. Quicktime), using the same post from the 460 Forum with the same failure:

Bellhousing

We all agree. There was a failure. And we can discuss this ONE failure again and again and again, but there's no new information and no conclusive proof of what failed.

[Jerry Clayton]

Now that Quick time is part of the same company as Lakewood---you can expect some changes---

[blykins]

Yep....mainly in the Lakewood line.

My Prestolite rep told me that all the Lakewood bells were getting redesigned....less weight, less footprint.

[blykins]

Just because this thread about the Q/T bells tends to get propagated across several forums....

Someone took this Club Cobra thread and ran with it on the FE forum.

One of the responses there was:


*****
Same with a Lakewood

In my car the flywheel exploded and the boltheads were pulled through the Lakewood housing. My Lakewood ended up looking very similar to the one in the picture. Mine went on the 3/4 shift. Cut the steering and the brakes.

*****

[Avmaviator]

Originally Posted by blykins

Just because this thread about the Q/T bells tends to get propagated across several forums....

Someone took this Club Cobra thread and ran with it on the FE forum.

One of the responses there was:


*****
Same with a Lakewood

In my car the flywheel exploded and the boltheads were pulled through the Lakewood housing. My Lakewood ended up looking very similar to the one in the picture. Mine went on the 3/4 shift. Cut the steering and the brakes.

*****

"OMG I'M never gonna run a Lakewood omg! the ceo must be a liar, and cheats!" I wonder how many of these would show up... not as many as the Quicktime, hah.

I have no concerns whatsoever in running a Quicktime set up in our car (soon to be car in a month, yay).

People get so caught up in the littlest, inconsequential, blown out of proportion, things on the internet it is ridiculous.

**Edit: Also, I'm not an engineer but I totally agree (after reading that first thread) that the bolts/block failed in that situation, and also with this new Lakewood incident. BUT, I'm not going to continue talking about that event **

[blykins]

Well, it's not really a little or inconsequential matter when a clutch or flywheel explodes, but the points here are:

1. ALL real data needs to be collected before the accusations fly...

2. No manufacturer has a 100% track record....things happen.

Several guys wanted to jump all over the opportunity to bad mouth Quicktime, all the while stating, "I've never seen a Lakewood fail."

Well, there ya go, and it just so happened that it was an extremely similar failure with the bolts/bosses pulling out of the block.

[ACademic]

ANY scatter shield is better than none at all.

[blykins]

Absolutely, the guys running 400-450 hp small blocks with factory aluminum bellhousings scare me...

[Avmaviator]

Originally Posted by blykins

Well, it's not really a little or inconsequential matter when a clutch or flywheel explodes, but the points here are:

I know that, and I was applying that to a lot of things in general, not just this specific topic. Definitely not inconsequential when you could get mangled

[jwd]

Originally Posted by blykins

Absolutely, the guys running 400-450 hp small blocks with factory aluminum bellhousings scare me...

Yet all the car manufacturers that have cars running 400 to well over 500HP use aluminum bellhousings.

[D-CEL]

Ok, I was leaving it alone, but you dragged me back in.

NEW DATA:
This morning I spoke with Jennifer Faye, Program Manager at SFI.
and to paraphrase our conversation:

SFI has NO RECORD of part number RM -8010 passing any SFI testing.

to be clear... RM-8010 HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED!!

She stated that while the basic shape and depth of the housing may be the same as those that have been tested, passed and certified previously, the lack of lower containment bolts constitutes a substantial change in design and is therefore considered a new model, requiring new design validation if the claim is to be made. She also reasserted the position that any “SFI” references on the websites must be removed from part numbers that have not successfully completed all of the required testing.

No manufacture can claim “Fail proof” and none do to the best of my knowledge.
This discussion WAS about Quick Times claim that the part # RM8010 has “Passed all SFI testing” That false statement, lead at least one person to purchase that part number, believing it was certified.
I bad mouth the advertising practice and those responsible for its design and in its continued propagation.

To be clear….again, Lakewood also has part numbers that lack the lower containment bolts, the difference is that they very clearly state it is NOT a “safety housing”

I do like the reference to the Feforum post, (the Pinto with the Injected Cammer looks cool!) Did SFI exist then? Was it a certified housing using all the correct bolts? Having been in and around several small block V8 Pintos back in the 80s, I recall there being considerable ground clearance issues. Looking at the photo, the motor sits very low in the chassis. I can only imagine how much grinding on the bottom of an FE bell housing was required to get the motor low enough for the front of the valve covers to clear the hood, But, I digress… Clearly not enough data here to form an actual opinion, right Brent?

NEW DATA:
I just spoke with Graham Fordyce, Eng Mgr, for Prestolite. He also stated that he has no report on file or evidence of testing for the part numbers in question. He stated to me, that they are in the process of reviewing all of the QT advertising information and will be REMOVING all references to SFI testing for items that have not been tested.

Here endeth the lesson….

Jason

[ACademic]

Originally Posted by dcdoug

Let's not do this one again unless there is new evidence to debate.....

Originally Posted by D-CEL

SFI has NO RECORD of part number RM -8010 passing any SFI testing.

to be clear... RM-8010 HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED!!
Jason

Evidence.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

SFI has NO RECORD of part number RM -8010 passing any SFI testing.

to be clear... RM-8010 HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED!!

Great and when I install a 460 in my Cobra, then I'll start to worry about it.

Conversations between people I don't know, and never heard of, and then posting paraphrasing of those conversations aren't evidence in my view.

But, I can't wait to get my copy of the new 2011 Prestolite catalog though.

2010 Quicktime Catalog: http://www.lakewoodindustries.com/ca...010_74512G.pdf

[blykins]

Originally Posted by jwd

Yet all the car manufacturers that have cars running 400 to well over 500HP use aluminum bellhousings.

Yep, and if I were going to beat on the car regularly, I would change that.

[blykins]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

But, I digress… Clearly not enough data here to form an actual opinion, right Brent?

That's exactly right. Your speculation about the bottom of that bellhousing being cut off is completely without evidence or support.

If there was a dead horse around here, I'd be kicking the poop out of it.

Rod, in Jason's defense, the 8010 that he's referencing is the bellhousing that got all of this started to begin with.

However, I will again state my opinion on this: unless someone can recreate the very incident that occured in a lab and they're able to nail it down to being 150% the bellhousing's fault, then all of this is pointless. When the bellhousing is basically undamaged and the mounting bosses are pulled out of the block, I find it hard to believe that it's the bell's fault...especially when we have testimony of a beloved Lakewood "failing" the same way.

All of this is pointless....including all of the "minions" that hop around from forum to forum warning everyone about that one incident of a Quicktime failure, on a dyno, where the bolts pulled out of the block.