Dry sump vs wet sump

[DAVID GAGNARD]

I have a Canton road race baffled pan with the trap doors in my road race car (65 Mustang), 8 quart capacity, also using a Melling High Perfomance, standard volume/standard pressure oil pump........under the hardest/longest turns I can do, the oil pressure has never changed.....
Get a good road race pan and you'll be fine.......

David

[4pipes]

Originally Posted by mreid

I would never run a dry sump system in a cobra or any other project unless it was exclusively used for racing with a regular racing maintanence schedule.

I have the Aviaid dry sump system in my Kirkham and it's been faultless with 16,000 mile on the clock.

[mreid]

Excellent! I hate when things break.

[just dreamin]

I am having a height problem with fitting a supercharged v10 in my cobra. Is there anyone that sells a dry sump for this motor? I suspect not, but ya never know, thanks.

[PatBuckley]

Originally Posted by 4pipes

I have the Aviaid dry sump system in my Kirkham and it's been faultless with 16,000 mile on the clock.

....and I have a picture of the virgin fender just as it was getting defiled....

[Cobra #3170]

For what it is worth, I had a Canton Pan with an Accusump and lost an engine in a big way because of no oil pressure. It got one head, 3 rods and two pistons. I was coming around a long sweeper at high RPM when it failed. I have since installed a Dailey dry sump pump and Stefs pan and oil tank with #16 lines for feed and return.
I believe this is the best system available, we also gained 13 HP because of the vacuum it pulls in the pan. We tried it vented and unvented to see the effect on output. I don't believe an Aviad system will pull a vacuum in the pan but could be wrong about that. The Ford GT and Z06/ZR1 Corvettes both use dry sumps in production vehicles because when you can pull over 1.0 G, oil control is an issue.

[D-CEL]

Dry sumps are better for a high performance application plain and simple.
I don’t agree with the logic here. When your spending $100k on a car, $30k of that tied up in a super cool, all aluminum, wiz bang piece of mechanical jewelry. You decide to save a few bucks on the Oiling system? LOL really? You guys are killing me! LOL
Wet sumps certainly work to a certain level, but most guy around here shot right past that level years ago!

Rodknock,

“Chocolate cake wins too” How did you get there?
So dry sumps are like chocolate cake? All calories, carbs, fat and sugar, with no nutritional value? Really? Dude, your analogies just plain suck.
Let me help, god knows you need it.

Wet sumps are like ex wives: they work, for a while, then you learn that there is a much better system out there. You can hang in there, stick with it because it’s cheaper and easier, but in the end catastrophic failure will be the result if pushed to hard.

Dry sumps.. Well dry sumps are like young, smoking hot girl friends: They are expensive, require a higher level of attention and involvement. However in return for that cost and added complexity, They look great, perform at the highest level possible and generally superior in everyway.
And they pull vacuum…..

I’m with Jerry and Bruce

Dry sump!!! #1

Jason

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

Rodknock,

“Chocolate cake wins too” How did you get there?
So dry sumps are like chocolate cake? All calories, carbs, fat and sugar, with no nutritional value? Really? Dude, your analogies just plain suck.
Let me help, god knows you need it.

Wet sumps are like ex wives: they work, for a while, then you learn that there is a much better system out there. You can hang in there, stick with it because it’s cheaper and easier, but in the end catastrophic failure will be the result if pushed to hard.

Dry sumps.. Well dry sumps are like young, smoking hot girl friends: They are expensive, require a higher level of attention and involvement. However in return for that cost and added complexity, They look great, perform at the highest level possible and generally superior in everyway.
And they pull vacuum…..

I’m with Jerry and Bruce

Dry sump!!! #1

Jason

I got THERE with an analogy. If you ignore the cost and complexity and/or, if you ignore the fat and calories, then dry sumps and chocolate cake are the best!

It was humor, but maybe I only understand my humor.

[SoTxButler]

Just Dreamin

Don't know which V10 you are talking about, but if it is a Viper, there are some pans available. Check Dry Sump Oil Pumps.

They also manufacture a dry sump pan for the FE motor. And, with their setup, you avoid all the lines from the pan to the pump. The pump is mounted on a manifold that scavenges directly from the pan...no hoses. The only hoses are from the tank and the pressure side to the motor. There are some pics in my photos that show the setup.

Good Luck

[4pipes]

Originally Posted by PatBuckley

....and I have a picture of the virgin fender just as it was getting defiled....

Defiled, is that like getting rear ended?

[PatBuckley]

LOL - I knew there was at least one joke in that comment!

Good one.

The other joke had to do with the fact that I got the car with a "file" finish.....

[mhacars]

I have a Aviaid dry sump system on my 468 cubic inch FE Shelby block and heads supercharged CSX Cobra with a custom tank and the only complaint I have is that the pump weeps oil out the front when the car sits. It sits a lot as my time is limited to enjoy it. I have been very happy with the Aviaid products to the extent that my 452 cubic inch alloy FE Shelby block/cast iron head SOHC motor has one as well. That one is going into a GT40. In my opinion, it you have a significant amount of money in the power plant it is worth it.

[482supersnake]

Dougs main problem is pan clearance or lack of clearance to the ground. I wounder if you could shorten your pan at all and modify the pic up tube? Scott

[SoTxButler]

the Dailey FE dry sump pan solves any and all clearance issues.

[67FEfastback]

Originally Posted by 482supersnake

Dougs main problem is pan clearance or lack of clearance to the ground. I wounder if you could shorten your pan at all and modify the pic up tube? Scott

I think, that is the route, that I am looking at now. I am going to try and round up a stock front sump pan, and modify that. I think, that if I keep to the stock pan depth, I should be able to get the ground clearance that I need.

I don't know if I have the room to install an oil tank for a dry sump system.

This is the (now replaced) Cobra Tee pan


It was since replaced with a Moroso pan which gives me 1" more clearance. Obviously the car is stopped, but gives an indication of how it might look under heavy suspension travel.

[67FEfastback]

After the weekend cruise, a few pics were taken of the car (by others) while underway.

I am looking at the pan to road clearance in these pics, thinking that it's going to be real tough, cutting that much out of the pan, and keeping a stock type wet-sump style system.

Ideally, I'd like to have the bottom of the pan, above the LCA's or at least above the sway bar.

Troy Leswick's photos - Manning2011/mini-IMG 3651

[lovehamr]

I think I see your problem man. Your upper A arms are apparently broken!

I road race a 70 Boss 302 and my car, with lots of mods, is no where near that low.

You got some hydrolics on that thing or sumpin'?

[67FEfastback]

Naw, no air bags.

It's pretty much all track set up with tubular front suspension. Front is 2" lowered, rear 1.5" The engine also has 1" lowering mounts. Lots of other goodies.

It doesn't handle like a cobra, but corners as well as any modern 'stang

So, I hear that a dry sump system, will free up a little more horsepower, eh?

My copilot will like that NOT!